Wow! Terminal Die States & Coins Struck On Shattered Dies?

The 1830 large cent is a N-4 and that is NOT a die crack. It is a scribe line that was placed on the die blank as a guide fro the placement of the denticals. That is actually an early die stage for the N-4. That is a die crack through the bittom of the date and up through stars 13 and 12. Later a crack develops from that crack just right of the date to the rim, and in the terminal state forms a Cud that encompasses the entire bottom of the date.

my contribution to this thread.
it was a coin roll hunting find...and also my avitar...

Personally, I think Dbrablec's coin is CUD-A-RIFFIC! exactly as it is.
I understand that there is a lot of emphasis placed on errors showing their dates. Sure, sometimes having a date present is a must; like if, for example, you're trying to assemble a complete dated & mintmarked collection of Jefferson's with big old Cuds on their obverses. In this case you've got to have the date. Or, if you were interested in the degree of the premium the coin could command. Or, if you simply just prefer Cuds -or error coins in general- with their dates showing.
BUT! THIS IS A BIG BEAUTIFUL Cud!
If we're talking about a Cud of this SIZE, or the aesthetics of the Cud like this and its location, then we're talking about a fantastic rolling blob of metal pouring out of the rim perfectly into the now field-less space behind Thomas' back, neck, and head- looking kinda' mean, like it's bullying him or pushing him from behind- or a lot like a headless-jelly-monster-bust lurking there, having already eaten the RTY in "Liberty" as an appetizer and just waiting to attach itself to his hair and then swallow old Jefferson whole, and I'd say it just wouldn't have this effect or look like this to me if it didn't just happen to be in this area; the area of the date.
So I just wouldn't say that it's "Too bad it's dateless". I'd say:
IT'S AN AWESOME NICKEL! With an AWESOME BIG-BLOBING Cud!
PLUS+ after-all! DBRABLEC FOUND IT IN A ROLL!

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I can't wait to see your dime.

Not the right thread? My apologies for interrupting your thread, with my junk. I still thinks it interestin, I'll get the pics out of your way as soon as I figure out how to delete.

Sorry, I didn't mean you have to delete them. I think it's fine if you leave them up, but I just wanted to make sure you know the difference between an error and a terminal die state.