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Pillar of the Community
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No, because die life varies from die to die. Some doubled dies are spotted and polished away. There is no way to get good solid numbers.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you look at the grading companies numbers on the big doubled dies that is still not good enough. Those numbers do not include coins that are raw sitting in someones collection, or still in a roll yet to be opened, or lost forever. You also have to understand that many of those that have been graded may have been graded once before and busted out of their holder trying for a higher grade. There are just too many variables to get an accurate count.
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01/27/2016 8:22 pm
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New Member
United States
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Thanks Seal. In hindsight if they have not found all 24 1894S Barber dimes yet that was probably a dumb question :). |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Even if you knew the mintage numbers of a particular variety, it's nearly impossible to know how many are in circulation. Auntie Em could have 20 rolls of 1969 double die coins hiding under her bed and when the big tornado hits those coins could be released into the wild. So hypothetically, a coin that everyone thought there were just a few of now has had 1000 coins added to the population. Coins are always being added and taken out of circulation.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Trail dies are a die issue, not a striking issue. They are not considered hub doubling, but an anomaly that happens during the creation of the die. Thus trail dies and Wavy steps are not hub doubling, but a die issue which makes them collectable. Machine Doubling is a striking issue and the dies are normal. Hope this helps. Wavy steps and trail dies are always the same, strike by strike. Unlike machine damage that happens randomly. |
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Off center strikes,cuds and lamination are also not from the die but they are collectible,i have been collecting since I was 5 and I am 43 now and for the past 15 years I go through about 500 to 1,000 coins a week and I can tell you finding strong double strikes,triple strikes,and double strikes on all the letters are rare.it is these books that say coin damage but isn't the other stuff coin damage to.
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Pillar of the Community
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It is the culture of the coin collecting community. Things like Machine Doubling have been thought of as damage because it happens during the strike process. Whereas hub doubling occurs on the die prior to the striking process. It is called a "die variety" because that die now has something different than the other dies. The culture , I feel, is changing. The new generation of collector is finding things like machine doublig, die cracks, and die chips fascinating. They are becoming popular enough to start creating a market. It will take some time, but it will happen. Heck, douled dies and RPMs were once considered damage. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The problem with that thought is after a time, you realize that these die events like chips, cracks and such are also common. On a die crack, if it was early in the die's life, then all coins after that are showing the advancement of the die crack, chip and they get worse. So there could be hundreds of thousands of coins from the same die that show the same crack, break and eventually on some Cuds. When they turn into Cuds the interest picks up. But until then, they are a common event. In time we realize this and no longer are intrigued about them any longer. |
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I really appreciate every ones input on this discussion,there can be 100,000 of them if the die wasn't caught and pulled off production.at least with Strike Doubling you can tell if some is more common than others,you will have alot more light double strikes than strong ones,plus on triple strikes that die has to bounce twice which is rare.i collect all types of errors because it shows the life of that coin going through a process. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Dies are not pulled for cracks, chips and sometimes breaks. Some dies are used a long as they hang together. After a Cud they still use them for a time. Machine Doubling varies from strike to strike.  I found these in OBW rolls and they show the same die marker. So the difference was the die movement during the strike. |
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I'm becoming a doubled die purist the more I learn. I do think though that machine doubles and other errors have a place in the collector world albeit at a smaller premium, for sure. But if it takes me 1,000 pennies <don't correct me, "cents" sounds stupid> to find 10 machines or other errors that is still 990 perfect pennies I had to go through to find them. Those 10 should be worth more than those 990.
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Pillar of the Community
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If someone will pay for them then they are worth more-all you need for a market is a buyer and seller. I personally would not pay a premium for them and I dont collect them but just saying.(that said I have found a few cases of extreme MD that I do believe I kept)
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01/28/2016 4:36 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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And thats a great pic/illustration coop
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Pillar of the Community
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"cents" sounds stupid "Dem's fightin' words!"   Here's my 2 cents (coming from a guy who spent 42 years in Retail): Value is in the eye of the beholder and can be difficult to transfer to someone else. Meaning that if you have the coin and like it, it has value to you. You can try to sell an item that you like, but unless a buyer finds value in owning that item and wants it, it most likely won't be easy. But if 2 people want it, it is a sellers market. |
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Put down those gloves Sudz :). Another way of saying what you said is "One mans junk is another mans gold." That is just a truth on how this world rolls.
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