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Ebay 1889-CC Dollar

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 Posted 01/28/2016  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drmenard to your friends list
waiting to see what happens here.. A few years back on ebay , they were selling what they said were copies of coins that were marked copy.. I bought a few of these just to see what they were . They were about $2 each. To my surprise some looked really good and none of them were marked COPY.. I keep these as a learning tool so you know whats out there.. I think the Indian Head cents were some of the best copies I had seen.. Many copies were easy to tell they were fake like dies not common for the year..
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 Posted 01/28/2016  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Biedercoins The rating of the seller is 100% but sometimes people give positive feedback while acknowledging the coin received was a fake. Also Neutrals do not effect the percentage. The ebay policy removes the numbers of older feedbacks from the summary making it look like all the results were positive when they were not. Quoted below are 3 of 5 feedbacks involving fake coins.


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la piece etait une copie , evalution possitive en respect des conditions command

Excellent eBayeur, envoi rapide. Attention il pourrait s'agir d'une fausse pièce

ses pieces sont fausse assez bien


Of course then there are the unbelievable auctions - who sells very rare costly coins for only a fraction of value?
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 Posted 01/28/2016  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list

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I don't see how it is a stolen picture since the seller is holding a slip of paper with his username on it in the photo. I believe you will receive the coin pictured.

I think that logic can be applied in reverse. I frequent ebay and rarely do you see anyone holding the items with a dated piece of paper trying to prove that the photos are real. That looks a little bit like overcompensating and can be deemed suspicious in and of itself.
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 Posted 01/28/2016  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
All Gone.
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 Posted 01/28/2016  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Ugh, relisted some.
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 Posted 01/28/2016  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
They no longer have anything to lose. They no longer have supportive staff at ebay willing to take on the big guys - like (Not Allowed) in Beijing where most of the money ends up going. The people at ebay are performing as little as possible to make it look like they care.

Their only objective is to make money - buyers are absolutely on their own. Let the buyer beware is the law of ebay.
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 Posted 01/28/2016  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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They no longer have supportive staff at ebay willing to take on the big guys


Says you.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Yes I do say so - ebay eliminated 38 positions all experts in our own areas and replaced us with two new managers with ZERO expertise. They went from hundreds of accounts TERMINATED a week and thousands of auctions stopped to what? Rampant fraud. They now act only on "special requests". A couple weeks ago, just for fun, I reported 12 obvious Chinese fakes ALL involving the identical coin to ebay using the report feature - they all survived to the end. The following week I personally wrote to 8 sellers who had posted the same coin. I got three to stop their auctions just by letting them know the coins were forgeries.

I also note that you removed the name of the big player that ebay was afraid of from Beijing from my last post. I think most people familiar with forgeries and the people who mass produce them in China know the name. Less than a month after we (the committee and two lower level ebay managers) proved that the money traced back to that address we were all let go.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Very interesting Bob and really no surprise. ebay is full of products from that area of the globe.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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Yes I do say so


I, personally, get about 750 listings a day removed (sometimes thousands), whether you believe it or not and there are many others involved too. Maybe they just didn't like the counterfeit fans that pick and choose what that were doing the job before.


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I also note that you removed the name of the big player that ebay was afraid of from Beijing from my last post.


Forum software removes the name and all links automatically. I'm not going to let over 100K pairs of eyeballs see where to buy counterfeits every day, that would be almost as irresponsible as buying and selling counterfeits myself.

The direct reporting link for the public is working much better now as well.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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The direct reporting link for the public is working much better now as well.

Do you mean the "report this auction" link they have in every listing, or a different direct link like they used to have?
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 Posted 01/29/2016  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Same one they've always had in the listings.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
As a test, I will do the same thing I did a couple weeks ago. I will report a series of Numismatic Forgeries and see if the Report feature works. I will report my finding when done.

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Maybe they just didn't like the counterfeit fans that pick and choose what [sic: they report] that were doing the job before.


That sounds like a new ebay defense as to why the committee was terminated. All committee members (I believe) acknowledged that there were collectable counterfeit coins and that the ebay policy was technically incorrect.

However, on reported items the votes were always based on the actual status of the coin itself. There were many contemporary counterfeits reported and terminated - unfortunately. My objections to policy were directed at ebay but I never called a counterfeit genuine.

I did personally report only Numismatic Forgeries (by the thousands) - that should not be an issue - since I was not required to report any violations on my own. We were tasked with voting on REPORTED Items only.

So if that is what anyone is saying please tell them that in my case at least that selective voting was NOT PRACTICED.
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 Posted 01/31/2016  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
My test has run now for about 48 hours more or less.

I reported 55 coins all absolutely clear violations. None of these were scheduled to terminate in under 24 hours. Most were in fact 5-7 days out.

I can report that ebay stopped 7 of the coins. None of the seller IDs has been terminated or suspended. That is 12% terminated after 48 hours.

That sounds bad enough but then you need to know how I chose the sellers I reported. I chose forgeries belonging to 3 groups of sellers.

First a group of Russian/Israeli/Latvian forgeries. These were all on the US ebay site and all of them had shipping rates to the US. I reported seven auctions and NONE of these were stopped. One auction has already ended costing the buyer $54.

Second a group of Chinese forgeries being re-sold by other sellers all in the USA. I picked these because the sellers sold mixed goods (not specifically coins) and each had ONLY ONE FORGERY in their active sales. Ten auctions were reported - 6 of the 7 that were stopped were in this group of sellers. This proves a couple things to me. First ebay can operate very quickly when they choose to. Second they seem to pick on the small sellers.

Third a mixed group (of sellers) selling Chinese forgeries. There were 41 in all. All of these sellers fit the typical profile of the Beijing group that I hunted for almost a year. I would have asked ebay management to immediately terminate each of these IDs. They all involve multiple copies of bad fakes. Never give any warning. These are the BAD GUYS - these are the guys that stole bank account numbers and set up fake IDs. These are the big group of thieves who complained to ebay and got us canned and the policy at ebay changed. Only 1 of these auctions was stopped. I had picked 10 auctions that were to end within 48 hours and 31 that were to end at various longer intervals. The one terminated fell within the first group of ten - so ebay had enough time to stop all ten - they just didn't. They also terminate no ID's - they are all still operating - and selling and making money for ebay. The 9 coins that have ended to far sold for $ 1,450. That is an average of $161 per coin.

Perhaps that is small change in the scheme of fraud. But in EACH CASE my report would have prevented each of these.

I will complete the report after all 55 auctions are complete - but I believe my case is well underway to being proven that ebay is highly selective in terminations and that they avoid terminating certain seller groups responsible for large numbers of sales and that they hide behind a shield of PRIVACY so that their tactics are not obvious.

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 Posted 02/01/2016  05:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Bob, post them in the appropriate forums and I will get them taken down without question, that's why I made the counterfeit forum. Just last week I got 1200 listings removed all at once from a top rated seller with over 20K feedback. The front end may not be like it used to be with the CCW, but it is much better than t was a year ago.

The back end that I have access to, along with several others, doesn't give a crap who the seller is. If the seller doesn't have a dedicated account rep I get them removed in as little as 15 minutes and usually no more than 6 hours. If the do have an account rep it can take up to 48 but it gets done.

Look here Bob, you were involved in this topic. 15 minutes.
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