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Moderator
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No way it is a genuine coin.  Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Forum Dad
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If this was ebay please post a seller link. |
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Forum Dad
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As far as the other coins, we have a Counterfeit Reporting forum, and there are some CCF members that are warriors against counterfeits. I suggest that you post any listings for counterfeit coins in that forum. Please don't post ended items there though. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah, when I said 'listings,' I meant current listings, but will say so in the future.
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Gee, I apologize if I mixed this up. For the record, I am officially unclear about where I should have started this topic and what actions were taken as a result of the other thread I started in the counterfeit reporting forum. I get the notion that forum is strictly for reporting active counterfeit listings, rather than active counterfeit sellers. Is that correct? Thing is, Seller-in-Question has one currently active listing that certainly deserves consideration, and since none of you probably need me to tell you what an uncirculated 1914-D Buffalo auctions for, I think you will agree that it wouldn't do to let that ride. I would like to know what I can do from this point. I have a whole lot of dirt on this guy and the more I learn, the more distressing this all becomes. For starters, he changed his ebay user name in 2014, see here. I found an old discussion on another coin forum about him selling counterfeits on ebay under the old name. I have certain information finding skills, and.. well, long story short, I hate to say it, but it appears this may be a person that has at least one published article about identifying counterfeit coins, documented in a respectable numismatic publication. The way I see it, that presents a number of long-term problems in the coin collecting community. I CAN say for sure that this man IS experienced with coins. I don't know, it just seems right to me that if it were verified, it would be very relevant information to someone. Advice, anyone? |
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The 14-D Buffalo he currently has listed sure looks fake to me, but I just don't know enough about them. I would post the current listing in the US Classic Coins Forum, and ask for help on it, as to whether anyone thinks it's counterfeit or not, and go from there. If nothing else the we've been made aware of the seller, and I'm sure they will hang themselves with their own rope in the future. Yeah, I saw the seller changed their name, went private, and used to sell books on how to detect counterfeit coins. The whole thing is weird.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This is a very interesting post .. it makes me happy
seeing others watching out for sellers .. selling
fake coins.
I will watch for the 1914 D Buffalo post
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Forum Dad
United States
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It's fake, already reported. My contact is on a plane right now though.
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United States
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That '14D Buff does look fishy to me... but have have almost zilch experience with Buffs.
It's odd that he published an article about detecting counterfeits and starts selling them. The name change is weird too. Stay away from this guy.
Ugh, my head hurts from his hypocrisy.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks Mr. Bobby ...
I am sure your busy ...
When I see 1914 D ... I get interested. Just some favorite
coins for me.
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Yes, thank you, Bobby. You're the man.
Can anyone point me to someone who is available to answer questions privately related to this topic? Or, simply send me an email?
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Right. I actually thought the auction pics were pretty decent, yet they certainly did not tell the tale like my pictures do. We only paid a couple bucks, so what. But he said he had it since he was a kid. What should I do? His sold items list has several coins that look wrong, but he's been a member since 2003 and has 500 feedback, 375 as a seller. If I report him, then what? Could this guy really be buying fakes from China and selling them from $hundreds a-piece and nobody has noticed? Isn't that a very serious crime? What is the right thing to do? I feel sick thinking about it! 1) You only paid $1.25 (plus s/h), so this is one the authorities aren't going to be interested in. 2) ebay is not interested in reports about a seller selling fakes, as you might think. Apparently, they will take action on active listings if reported to the right person. But since they won't do anything about completed listings, then they aren't REALLY interested in stopping their sellers from selling fake coins.*** 3) If you open a case for not as described (being sold as authentic (original), but it is a fake) the normal process will be that you have to return it to the seller. You will get your money back, they will get a defect, but no guarantee ebay will do anything other than that to the seller. They could, possibly, list it again. 4) You said the "auction pics were pretty decent". I think it looked an unnatural pink/orange/rust color. I can also see the askew twos in the date (and this is a reduced size photo).  ***A while back, ebay had staff that were assigned to enforcing ebay coins, paper money and stamps policies. They would end current listings, ended or sold listings, hand out selling suspensions and even NARU (kick off) sellers. But, less than two years ago they abruptly disbanded the department, and reassigned the staff elsewhere. This has resulted in the flood of new counterfeit, replica, blurry photos, altered, and other coin policy violating listings. I am happy to see that there is at least one ebay contact that will now end fake coin listings - it is a start. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here)Edited by nss-52
02/03/2016 09:28 am
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nss-52, thank you for taking the time to write that post. That was very helpful to me. We were actually obsessed with the reverse on this coin, that is why we bought it. It looked like a possible doubled die.. it was cheap. Now, I expected ebay would pose the least threat of consequences for this guy. Reading his article, he states that it is more dangerous to sell altered genuine coins than cast fakes. So I am guessing that authorities are less likely to be interested in this case because of that. Are there no federal or state laws he is seriously in violation of? If someone in his state bought a fake from him, wouldn't that be theft by deception in that state, something the attorney general there might definitely take interest in? Also, would it not be ethical to get in touch with some officer within the society he is a member of? It is a very respectable national numismatic club. This seller is smart, young, and very educated. He has studied virtually every aspect of counterfeiting and deceptive selling practices and has deceived (I believe) many many collectors, and will continue and therefore be flooding the market with them. His article covered counterfeit slabs, too. If he is simply reprimanded by ebay... he will just get better at it. |
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Forum Dad
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eBay is not interested in reports about a seller selling fakes, as you might think. Apparently, they will take action on active listings if reported to the right person. But since they won't do anything about completed listings, then they aren't REALLY interested in stopping their sellers from selling fake coins.*** Then why do you keep posting them so I can get them taken down if they don't care? I can get ended listings taken down no problem whatsoever, but I pick my battles. Getting a listing taken down after the buyer has the coin or two days after it ended it just a gigantic waste of time. You have no idea what ebay is and isn't interested in. |
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Are there no federal or state laws he is seriously in violation of? Yes there are laws he is violating, the problem is getting the authorities to care. Quote:
If someone in his state bought a fake from him, wouldn't that be theft by deception in that state, Either that or possibly simple fraud. Quote:
something the attorney general there might definitely take interest in? If you can show that you were defrauded out of $10K or maybe $50K you might get some interest and action. Likewise if you can show he defrauded several hundred or several thousand people in he state (voting constituents) then you could probably get some action. Short of that I wouldn't hold your breath. |
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