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Controversal 1956 D / S Lincoln Memorial Cent

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 Posted 02/05/2008  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Homer1 to your friends list
I would check to see if you do have that faint D MM first. Grading is not the issue here but rather to establish if indeed it's double D Mint Mark. When in doubt don't do anything--- Brasso
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 Posted 02/05/2008  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
If it's had any Brasso on the surface, I'm sure a good grader would tell, and send it back ungraded.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I can tell from the images, and will repeat what I said before...you would be completely wasting your money trying to have that graded.

ANYWAY, the purpose of this post is this:

You don't send new discovery pieces in to grading services hoping to convince them to agree with you. Grading services digress to the information provided by variety experts when they encapsulate coins, only matching attributes and markers on 'suspected' varieties. If they find a listing, they will label it as such. They ARE NOT in the business of assigning variety status to new discoveries.

If you want a variety assigned as a new discovery, you will HAVE to send it to an attributor. That could be John Bordner, James Wiles, Billy Crawford, Ken Potter, or myself.

If you send your coin to a grading company you will get it back without your check and without a holder...two reasons:

1. It has been harshly cleaned.
2. It is not a known variety.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I just want to know what I have? Very plain and simple. If it's new, so be it. If it's a spoof of some light generated by swamp gas glaring off of venus, ok for that too. I used Brasso, doesn't mean I'm not bright about whatever I did. We go through life seeing something then acting upon it. Don't play on the ignorance..........help with it. If I send it in and it gets rejected, again so be it. It's called learning. Again, just want to know what the "S" anomaly is that has invaded a known controversial coin.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list
You sure are defensive.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list
I'm a nurse. There's a difference between responding to constructive criticism, than responding to an assumption. The Brasso thing, I learned........I won't do it again. Defining my coin, just trying to get answers, not accusations. I enjoy this forum, and have been using quite a few lessons learned and resources. Being who I am, I don't hold a grudge........just don't like flies landing on the same scab.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
coffeegod, hold on to that coin. If it is a true die variety, others should turn up and that will confirm your coin. If none do, then no big loss, eh? I am in a similar situation with a few Indian Head cents. I need to send them to an expert for his assessment, but I know the graders won't look at them simply because they're not in the business of researching coins.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
coffeegod

Coppercoins is not trying to accuse of criticize. He is trying to tell you how NOT to waste your money. If you believe that the coin is a new variety the proper thing to do is submit it to an attributer not a TPG. TPG's only confirm previously attributed varieties and even then they only verify all of them. If you look at my avatar you will see a 1982 DDR. one of only 2 known currently to exist. The attribution was done by coppercoins, He is indeed one of the top names in Lincoln Cents. He may not sugarcoat his postings but he does know (better than anyone else here IMO) what hee's talking about when it comes to Cents. You asked for opinions and got it from an authority for FREE! If you still think you have something have Chuck look at it in person.

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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list
I'm sitting here laughing my butt off with the last comment.....I haven't the foggiest clue what TPG and such are. I have another window open to the glossary page to define what you are telling me. Research and learn......that's the key, and yes I do take his CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Just don't need the other boldness. His knowledge as with the rest of you are invaluable to what I need to learn.
Thanks
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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list
coffeegod - I'm not sure if you've made the connection, but when you were researching the "controversial cents" section on that Lincoln Cents Resource website, the atrributer they keep referring to named Charles Daughtrey is coppercoins.

To answer your last question, the TPGs are the grading services which authenticate coins as known varieties, and assign grades to the coins based on overall condtion.

The attributers (like Chuck) are the individuals who determine what is, and isn't, a variety.
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02/06/2008 12:43 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list
Didn't make the connection, though the only people I'm familiar with when it comes to coins, are the people on the coins. Ask me a question about medicine and it'd be completely different. Know offense to Coppercoins.........just don't know who he is. I'll look him up though. It's still not about one person, but the mark on the coin.
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 Posted 02/06/2008  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
"It's still not about one person, but the mark on the coin"

This statement is true except that the person in question is one of 4 or 5 people in the country that are considered enough of an expert in the field of lincoln cents to verify whether or not your coin is a new variety.
In my opinion this is like asking the top heart doctor in the world to give his opinion and when you don't like it, ask his students what they think.

Richard
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 Posted 02/06/2008  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list
Ok......let's close this topic now. The original topic of curiosity has blown into personal indifferences. I admitted to a mistake that I had no idea it would be so bad for a coin. Learned and engraved. I respect and admire everyone for there comments to whatever degree. There are no postings next to names that would allow a rookie like mew know whom I'm speaking too. That's why I use generalizations. I think you all are great. That's what makes us unique. Just trying to start off a new hobby with only what I know. I'm learning as all of you have done.
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02/06/2008 1:06 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2008  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list
I have nothing personally against you or anyone else and I look foreward to reading future postings from you. I was merely trying to make you understand that you have already received the opinion of one of the authorities in the field and sending the coin to a grading company would be a waste of your money. I don't like wasting money and thought that you would like finding out beforehand instead of after the fact. If I have offended it was not intentional and I apologize.
Richard
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02/06/2008 1:13 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2008  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I didn't realize my posts would be taken personally. I teach in a direct manner, I don't flower or sugar coat my posts. If you have junk, I say so. If you have something good, I also say so. I owe it to whomever comes here looking for truthful information and can accept the answers they are given.

Regarding this coin - I have seen the original poster mention a few times that they were going to submit the coin for grading, and through experience I can say with 100% surety that this would be a waste of time and money. Wait for a real variety to come along that's well known, valuable and worthwhile.

As to whether this is a real variety - probably not. I have seen thousands of stains, flow lines, shadows, and damage proported to be varieties, and this looks categorically just like that. It has nothing to do with the owner of the coin, whether the coin has been cleaned, or anything else. It's a straight forward answer to a question I am 100% qualified to answer.

And if I am wrong, and this coin turns out to be a variety that is yet unreported and unknown...sending it to a grading service would STILL be a waste of time and money because none of them are in the business of attributing new varieties.
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