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What Do You Think Of This PCGS 1868 Indian - EF-45?

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 Posted 02/09/2016  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Taking a good image through the plastic on the slab is difficult for some people.
There is NO way to be able to make an accurate grade on these images as they are badly focused and there are no images on the cert look up.
Ask the seller to send you some images that ARE in focus and you will be able to make a better assessment of this coin.
It is not that often that PCGS over grade a coin.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Looks VG-10 to me. Not sure what the graders were thinking with this one.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Wow, Doesn't look EF to me but, one should always have the coin in hand to know for sure, could be a weak strike.... a very weak strike..
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 Posted 02/09/2016  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
The rim looks weak at the date. No letters in LIBERTY are visible. Horizontal lines on the shield look blended. Based on these images I'm with IndianGold at VG.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
No way am I seeing an EF-45 coin, looks more like VG.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I don't know how anyone can claim to be able to know the grade with those photos.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
trout1105 , You might be right in some cases pertaining to photos taken through slabs . but come on, there is nothing cloudy or shady with these photos of said coin. I'm with most members on a low grade.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
These are scans and not photos but I think they are clear enough to tell this coin is a long way away from EF-45.

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 Posted 02/09/2016  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
PCGS overgrades coins an awful lot in my opinion. There is no way this is anywhere near the assigned grade.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Label error/data entry error, in my opinion, not a deliberate overgrade.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
It's called a mistake. Human error. Clearly got into the wrong holder or there was a typo. It happens folks.
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 Posted 02/09/2016  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Far too often.
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 Posted 02/10/2016  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Yesterday I was on my Kindle when I looked at this, and I just wasn't able to bring the photo up enough to see it clearly. Thus, I thought folks that were calling it VG were nuts.

Today I looked at it again on my computer and I must agree, I was wrong. That thing isn't even a decent example of the date, let alone a XF. Maybe a VG as was mentioned.

I'm guessing this was simply put in the wrong holder. It's rare, but it does happen. If nothing else it gives us something to talk about, although I think there are far more examples of properly graded coins that the few errors that can be found.
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 Posted 02/10/2016  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
yeah, not even close to XF
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