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Need Information Regarding Large English Pennies

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 Posted 12/20/2005  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list
I do not know about the rest of the world but in Australia most british pennies in low grades trade for copper value. Even higher grade later date pieces trade for copper price.

I have seen nice british penny sets displayed in blank Dansco supreme albums to great affect. I am a big fan of Aussie copper. If I was not concentrating on my Aussie predecimals I would consider a britsh copper set. I just love KGV and earlier copper in decent grades.
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 Posted 12/20/2005  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lim118 to your friends list
I am not a big collector of UK coinage, only the odd one here and there. Thanks to the assistance of RG, I was able to acquire a full obverse Penny Brockage circa 1860 and she is a real beauty.

Fueled then by the need to know what the reverse side looked like, this was purchased to complete the pairing of a normal coin and an error coin. I am led to believe that this reverse is only used for the 1860 and the 1861 pennies, can a UK member confirm this assumption

Need-Information-Regarding-Large-English-Pennies

Thanks....Lim
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 Posted 12/20/2005  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list
I too like the old coppers but have a tremendous time keeping focused on them due to my love of silver. If I knew I could get my paws on a 1925 Australian large cent I would probably focus on them. I do have a complete set of British "cartwheel" cents as they only made them one year!!!
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 Posted 12/20/2005  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lim118 to your friends list
Get the 1925 Aussie Penny while you still can, this one is real hot and is spiralling upwards all the time. It won't be too long before the 1925 moves out of the reach of the average collector.
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 Posted 12/20/2005  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list
I can verify what Lim is saying. I could sell more than I get. Prices have generally increased by about 80% in the last 2 years on these.
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 Posted 12/20/2005  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by lim118
Fueled then by the need to know what the reverse side looked like, this was purchased to complete the pairing of a normal coin and an error coin. I am led to believe that this reverse is only used for the 1860 and the 1861 pennies, can a UK member confirm this assumption

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Thanks....Lim



The image you provide is a "toothed border" which is the standard design, started in 1860, and used throughout the Victorian coinage, as well as through all the Kings' and into the Elizabeth coinage. The less common variety only used in 1860 & 1861 is a "beaded border."
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12/20/2005 10:51 pm
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 Posted 12/21/2005  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lim118 to your friends list
Many Thanks kuhli....I take it then this pictured penny is the correct pairring of a normal penny to this brockage penny

Grateful if you will check it out
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 Posted 12/21/2005  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by lim118

Many Thanks kuhli....I take it then this pictured penny is the correct pairring of a normal penny to this brockage penny

Grateful if you will check it out



Beautiful brockage!! Last year I sold off the brockage I had, which was a King George V British India silver 1 rupee piece.

There were 3 distinct obverses of the "Young head" Victorian bronze pennies. From your pictures (or my poor vision) I cannot tell which type it is. The designer of the coin was L C Wyon. In 1860-1861, they used dies that has his name engraved into the edge of the bust, near the rim. During the same period (1860-1861) there were also dies in use that had his name engraved in the space between the bust and rim. Throughout the entire mintage of this obverse (1860-1874), and most common is the type that does not have his name at all.
After a little more careful examination, I see that the reverse design you show has the LCW initials under the shield, which was only used in 1860-1861. Without his initials was used throughout the entire mintage (1860-1874).
There are complete books about all the variations of pennies issued in 1860-1861, and collectors who specialize in just those 2 years, spending their entire lives looking for the few elusive varieties they need.
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12/21/2005 10:13 am
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 Posted 12/21/2005  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lim118 to your friends list
Much appreciated kuhli, for the information supplied. Since infected with the "errors" virus, I have a leaning towards brockages and mules and am looking at expanding my collection of them if they are within my "budget"....
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 Posted 12/21/2005  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list
Where can I get the 1925 Aussie penny, and what would the cost be?

Thanks.
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 Posted 12/21/2005  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list
Like Terry, I also have a complete set of the English cartwheels!

Back in the 1960's, I had a "pen pal" who lived in Dublin. He sent me some fantastic UK coinage, including the cartwheel.
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 Posted 12/21/2005  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list
Gary, there are a few of the 1925 Australian pennies on ebay right now. Brace yourself!!!
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 Posted 12/21/2005  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list
The Aussie 1925 in aaverage circulation grade would set you back about AU$160.00. Most Aussie coin dealers would have them in stock. I have one or two.
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 Posted 12/21/2005  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list
Thanks for the reply.

I would love to own one.

As a retired teacher, I will have to wait...maybe forever.

However, I'll keep this coin in mind in case I happen upon a sudden "windfall."
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 Posted 12/22/2005  04:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lim118 to your friends list
I have seen just almost fine grade ones going for close to $200 bucks, very fine to almost extra fine about the $400 dollar mark. A good mate of mine on the Aussie Forum bought a true extra fine one for $800, but that was a long time ago. I would think it woud be nearer the 1K mark now. Grades above that is when it starts to really hurt the pocket.
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