Can You See It !!!

Sorry for not responding to the post earlier, but as most know I work a late swing shift,,

I can tell you in hand it looks more like an 8 even though when I fiest found it I also thought it was a 3,, I base this on the complete loop on the bottom, the outside to the left is visable in the loop of the 5,,

That is where things tend to get very interesting !! since the Merc series ended in 45 !!

There seems to be no way for a 5 over 8 overdate ,, although I can imagine a few different senarios where it could happen !!

Fred to answer your question, if the coin turns out to be a legitimate overdate it will be a new variety ,, As of this time I'm having a hard time getting any attention to the coin.

Here is What I received back from coneca, disappointing at the best !!

I would have thought with all of the different things that have happened or could happen at the US mint, they would have been a little more open minded,,

First response ,
Rick:

I can't tell much from the photo. True die doubling
will have split serifs in the digits. There are
several kinds of false doubling, but the most
prevailent on the Merc dimes is machine damage
doubling which is flat, shelf-like and close to the
field. True die doubling must have splits in the
serifs.

Thanks,

James Wiles

Its obvious to me that They did not spend anytime examining the photo.

I emailed them back with a further description of what I thought I was seeing on the coin !!

Second response !
Rick:

If it is too good to be true it probably is. The
chance of there being an 8 under the 5 is
non-existant. You are probably seeing metal flow
lines.

Thanks,

James Wiles

Now I'm really confused, because I'm sure that what I see is on the coin !!

I appreciate all of the responses, they have served to energise me to continue with the coin, I wont stop until its proven to be Metal flow as suggested by coneca US coin rep. James Wiles, or a true overdate and a new discovery !!

Rick

I will try and post up some better pics this afternoon when I get back from work, 4 Hr turn around today !! but I have this one !

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Thanks
Rick

PS
with this photo, please look in the loop of the 9 and between the 9 and 4, It maybe from me looking at the pics so much, but there appears to be a vey faint 1 crossing the loop of the one and a very faint 9 between .

Thanks again for the comments !!

To me, and I am pretty well convienced, looks like a 5 over 8. Now the photo's have alot to be desired (no offense metalman obviously). My reasoning is simply that if you look closely between the gaps on the 5 you can barely see the circular circle of an 8.. If it were a 3, I believe you would not see that circle of the eight.

We can't tell you what it is, we don't have it in hand. Your pics are good, but just not close enough for us to really see what's going on. If you really love errors, then think about getting a tool to help you. I use a toy, a QX3, think about running to Toys-R-Us and picking one up. They don't make the QX3 anymore, but the QX5 does an even better job.

It takes wonderful pictures and is easy to use...



I would LOVE to see a closeup of your Merc's date this big so we could try to help you.

If you want to send it to me to take the pics for you, I would love to, but that may be way out of your comfort zone. If I can help you in any way, just let me know.

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Originally posted by Metalman
Why is it so hard for people to believe their own eyes ?

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Seeing isn't always believing. I did not notice this thread until it popped up again. While the photo appears to give credence to an overdate, photos are 2 dimensional.
Basing an opinion simply on the photo, I would also have to agree that the illusion of the "other" number comes from metal flow. This is not that uncommon.

Without having the coin in hand, this would be my first guess.

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Originally posted by national dealer

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Originally posted by Metalman
Why is it so hard for people to believe their own eyes ?

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Basing an opinion simply on the photo, I would also have to agree that the illusion of the "other" number comes from metal flow. This is not that uncommon.

Without having the coin in hand, this would be my first guess.

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Ok !! Metal flow it is then !!

Thanks for all of the comments !!

I appreciate it !!

Rick

I think I remember reading once that overpolishing of the die can cause a "ghostlike" image of dates or other devices to appear on the struck coin, because the wires of the polishing brush ( I say brush but maybe they used some fine grit and just rub too hard)cut a little depression (or maybe cause a slight buildup of die metal) off to the side of a digit. This later shows up on the coin. A famous example is the so called poor man's doubled die of the 1955 Lincoln Cent. Unscrupulous dealers will try to pass this off as the true DDO of the '55 Lincoln, but calling it a poorer example. But, in fact, it's not a DD at all, just a result of overpolishing. This coin looks somewhat like that, maybe the more raised dot inside the loop of the 5 is a small die chip?