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Cents In '09, An Alternative Scenario

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 Posted 02/12/2008  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list
I say keep the obverse but change the back! 50 years is a good run for the Memorial and it would keep the 50 yr reverse tradition alive and healthy!

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 Posted 02/12/2008  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
GFR3, I am having deją vu... oh yeah...

https://goccf.com/t/24946



Also, look at how I have changed my view:

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However, the winds speak to me and say that after 2009, the One Cent coin is gone. I could be wrong, but it is the feeling I get

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Even though I personally believe we should eliminate it, I do not think the special interests would ever let it go

That feeling must have changed, or the "wind" was my own hot air!
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 Posted 02/12/2008  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list
jbuck, you know if we were running for political office you'd be labled as the dreaded "flip-flopper" for that one hahahaha


check out your earlier post:

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The Half Dollar was killed when they made the decision to leave silver in them for five years after it was removed from the others. Instant hoard piece that disappeared from circulation. People adapted with two quarters and so it is today.


lol I couldn't remember who had said it, but I was explaining earlier today to my kid cousin (who is just entering the world of coins) why we never see halves in circulation any longer and quoted your post almost word for word.... wierd man!

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EDIT: we should start a petition for the mint to design a new reverse to last until 2059....whos with me?
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 Posted 02/12/2008  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list
Did the various backs of the Jeffereson Nickel increase collector interest? I might say "yes", but in only those coins - the Buffalo, Handshake, Westward, etc. But I really think it did virtually nothing for the rest of the series.

And they're planning on doing the same for the Lincoln series. Do you really think a newbie is ready to roll up his/her sleeves and attack collecting well over a hundred coins just because there are a few new lincoln cents out there?

I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening if they actually keep their speculative Lincolns into 1909.

As was said before, SELL NOW!!
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 Posted 02/13/2008  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
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you know if we were running for political office you'd be labled as the dreaded "flip-flopper" for that one hahahaha

Someone else here wanted me to run for office... it would be a tough campaign!

I was for the Lincoln Cent before I was against it!
I guess it all depends on what the definition of is is?
I cannot collect the coins I wish they made, I have to collect the coins we have...

I could go on all day...

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EDIT: we should start a petition for the mint to design a new reverse to last until 2059....whos with me?

I'm in, why not. It might be a lost cause, but I guess I am used to it! (Cubs Fan)

And I close with this... Kabiye Lady (Possible Campaign Chairperson? We both like the Ikes!)... She makes some great points, so I stand by my (current, as of now, poll researched) position on the issue...

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 Posted 02/13/2008  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
The US Mint is asking that federal reserve bank to send all pennies roll at fed banks to there rolling shops to pull all copper cents out to save money on 2009 200th 4 coin sets
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 Posted 02/13/2008  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarver9183 to your friends list
i for one don't care if they do away with the penny...I'm not accustomed to using them anyway
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 Posted 02/14/2008  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list
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The US Mint is asking that federal reserve bank to send all pennies roll at fed banks to there rolling shops to pull all copper cents out to save money on 2009 200th 4 coin sets



hmmm...I've suspected that is what is to happen. I've heard a few accounts of people getting copper-skunked on whole boxes of circulated pennies. So now we know why its illegal for us to melt them--they want them for themselves! Could be good value wise though-if enough early memorials are melted, the remaining ones will rise in price and we'll all be able to make a few bucks selling on ebay...

jbuck, as a Mets fan to a Cubs fan I feel your pain brother lost causes have the tendency to be fun rides with disapointed (i.e. crying) finishies...
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 Posted 02/14/2008  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I wonder about this as well.

Think back to when we switched from Silver to Cu-Ni clad. Could they have pulled most if not all the silver out of circulation for funding and then switch to Cu-Ni clad? I am not saying it would have been the right thing to do, but looking at it from a purely financial standpoint on the Mint's behalf. It's not like they never melted coins before.

So consider today's situation. Copper and Zinc cents have coexisted for over 25 years, so siphoning the copper out of circulation could go unnoticed (except by the skunked roll-hunters!). The mint is in a position to "demand" the copper to be sent back for "reprocessing". I am sure the guys in Greenville, TN won't mind getting a (possibly) free supply of their plating material! Any bulk copper beyond what is needed for plating could be used for the Cu-Ni coins.

GFR3... at least you have the 1986 Series and a pennant in 2000! But yeah, rough times recently. A good friend of mine is a huge Mets fan, so I tell everyone he is from Queens (he is actually from Yonkers). He says it is like the Mets get a good team together, put in a good run, and then go out of their way to blow it.
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 Posted 02/14/2008  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
the 2009 Lincolns will attract a certian number of people ,, but not near the numbers of seasoned collectors that could have been attracted had they minted a 2009 VDB wheat reverse Lincoln Cent and a 1909-S VDB proof.

for some reason they have turned the coin into a Lincoln commemorative rather than a 100 year anniversary of the Lincoln Cent design .

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 Posted 02/15/2008  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
In reality most of our type of coin collectors forget who is actually the largest percentage of coin collectors. It's not us old people, it's the little kids when it comes to PENNIES (cents for those sensitive to terminology). Any kid that collects coins will always collect those since they are cheap, easy to find, easy to trade, easy to place in albums, folders, rolls. When you stop and consider our country now has 300,000,000+ and a great amount of them are kids, if the 2009 sparks further interest in that series with those kids, the values of every date will grow massively.
Possibly one more reason to watch for the 2009 Red Book sheduled for release April 8, 2008
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Great point, Carl! I never though about it that way, but I should have. When I was a kid, I was allowed to look through my parents' change to fill my folders. I was allowed to keep any cent for free, but the others came out of my allowance. Guess which folder filled up the quickest?
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 Posted 02/16/2008  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
I have been pull all copper cent that are in go shape out of roll for about 6 months so I can give to my grand baby if my son settles down and has some kid's
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The US Mint is asking that federal reserve bank to send all pennies roll at fed banks to there rolling shops to pull all copper cents out to save money on 2009 200th 4 coin sets

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hmmm...I've suspected that is what is to happen. I've heard a few accounts of people getting copper-skunked on whole boxes of circulated pennies. So now we know why its illegal for us to melt them--they want them for themselves!

Very possible. There is precident. Back in the late 1960's and early 70's it was illegal to melt down the silver coins and the government went out of their way to try and convince the public that there was no reason to hoard the silver coins because they would continue to circulate alongside the clad coins for many years to come. The whole time they had at least two large separation machines and every dime, quarter and half that came into the Federal Reserve had to make the trip through the machine to have the silver separated out. It was indeed a case of "Don't hoard them and keep the silver circulating so we can gather as much of it for ourselves as we can." I could very easily see the same thing happening with the copper cents.

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When you stop and consider our country now has 300,000,000+ and a great amount of them are kids, if the 2009 sparks further interest in that series with those kids, the values of every date will grow massively.

If that is how it happens then I would look for the massive price increase around 2029 after the vast majority of the young people who get interested put collecting aside and then come back 20 to 30 years later after their kids are pretty much grown. I don't care how many 11 and 12 year olds you have that get interested in an SVDB for a couple years, I don't see it making that much of an effect on the price until they grow up and have significant earnings that they can put towards the coin once their interest is rekindled.
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 Posted 02/19/2008  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list
60 minutes recently did a segment on the debate about keeping/ending the Lincoln Cent. It was very interesting. At the end of the segment both debating parties agreed that eliminating LHC won't be happening anytime soon.
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