1909-S Lincoln Cent Grade

Thanks for the input guys. I think I'll pass on the coins for now. My search continues

The '09-S looks about VF-25/30 to me, but I certainly don't like that obverse discoloration.

The 11s looks cleaned. Probably good to pass on these if you can't get them in hand.

I tried to I'm you CJ. I cant because I'm still a noob. I'm not buying the coins

Sorry for the slow reply - both coins have a common reverse flaw found on early Chinese copy/counterfeits. It is most obvious on the 1911-s. Forum decorum prevents me form pointing out the exact die marker.

If the coin(s) are still for sale, please provide the link so we can report them as counterfeit.

For review of other other recent old Chinese copies check out Coin Community Posts:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-WHEA...?&rmvSB=true

https://goccf.com/t/254576

JimNWLincoln,
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http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/faq.asp#edit

Agree with Jim here. They both look to be counterfeit.

On the 09S the portrait is inconsistent with the rest of the obverse devices. An early die state is implied but the entire portrait is weak...illogical for this issue.

Also, I think the slightly angled pictures make it hard to see the proportions of things. I suspect the date/MM look off from an overhead view. Additionally, I don't like the rims and the surfaces are suspect.

When you see a coin like this, trust that very first feeling you get, in the first 3 seconds. If something seems off, then it probably is. This is why buying coins in-hand is FAR superior to the web - you can take a closer look! This 3 second rule I use has worked very well for me over the years. I would estimate it's only been wrong <10% of the time....a closer inspection confirmed.

Thanks Jim!! I agree we need to be able to post educational material. If I hadn't been apart of this forum I most likely would be sitting with two worthless coins in my hand and not knowing otherwise. Thanks guys your the best!