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The Trend Of Popularity For Canadian Coin Collecting?

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 Posted 04/17/2016  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Most young people today only have one hand left available to hold anything such as a coin..

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 Posted 04/17/2016  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
electronic payments - rather than cash - I think has played a big part. along with designs that remain unchanged for decades (/yawn). these 2 alone is why I got really interested in early/mid 1800s issues. still affordable, variety of designs without being overwhelmed, and very possible to start right from the beginning of the creation of our nation.

the population might be growing, but much of the growth is coming from immigration and the new citizens are unlikely to share our appreciation for our heritage, or can't wrap their heads around having spare hard currency that you save just for the fun of it. most home grown Canadians are in a disposable mindset - tangible goods, or saving anything in general just isn't in their DNA

the collector base is shrinking and as a result so are the prices. I would venture to say that auction results where coins have held their value are likely from older collectors buying from older collections.

we might have to skip a generation, or 2, of the current 'coinless kids' and wait for the new guard to show an interest in the good old days when grandpa used to actually carry REAL money.

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 Posted 04/17/2016  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list

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the population might be growing, but much of the growth is coming from immigration and the new citizens are unlikely to share our appreciation for our heritage, or can't wrap their heads around having spare hard currency that you save just for the fun of it. most home grown Canadians are in a disposable mindset - tangible goods, or saving anything in general just isn't in their DNA


From my experience in the market, there are quite a few "new" Canadians who are interested in collecting Canadian coins and notes. I have also found that there are far more women collectors now than even 10 years ago.
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 Posted 04/17/2016  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list

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...........can't wrap their heads around having spare hard currency that you save just for the fun of it. most home grown Canadians are in a disposable mindset - tangible goods, or saving anything in general just isn't in their DNA


This certainly illustrates the key difference between the current philosophy of today. The trend toward spending and borrowing money in order to make money is continually being reinforced. Saving, what's the point..... we are constantly reminded that the role of "the government" is to take care of us.

Thinking about that, yes it certainly could have a great impact on how the hobby of coin collecting is viewed. Possibly new collectors quickly lose interest, particularly if the initial attraction was due to a misguided notion that any connection to accumulating money ought to be lucrative.

Another challenge might be, considering Canada is a young country, we are in a era of numismatic growing pains. Perhaps the hobby hasn't yet matured or, for that matter, become fully recognized in a respectable way. I say that because it never ceases to amaze me how many people, even older people in my age group, have odd ideas of what it involves. To them coin collecting is perceived to be something akin to compulsively stashing away and hoarding coin, a hobby that ranks somewhere as uninteresting as say, collecting recyclable bottles.
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04/17/2016 3:26 pm
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 Posted 04/17/2016  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list

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I have also found that there are far more women collectors now than even 10 years ago.



Very glad to see you say that! I think it was a male orientated hobby in the 60s and earlier only because the male was typically the sole wage earner for the family, who naturally was also most focused on "money" in general.

But there's no reason for it to remain that way and it's a perfect hobby for anyone in terms of total flexibility of time involved, does not require a huge work area, plus offers excellent opportunities for gaining interesting knowledge including the historical component.
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 Posted 04/17/2016  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
I think this conversation is missing the arrival of the internet.

In terms of declining prices, I think the internet has played a major role in this, in the 80's and 90's your access to coins was limited to the occasional show, LCS and a few auctions. Now you can buy almost any coin, in most grades at any time of the day from multiple sources. This eliminated the false scarcity that previously existed and brought competition to the market, especially for common coins. Prices for many coins probably never should have been as high as they were.

In terms of collectors, many people no longer need to attend a show or LCS to purchase coins or supplies. I have never been to a show and have only set foot in an actual shop a handful of times. While I am young and use both hands, I just don't have/make the time or am unavailable to make most of the shows. Yet I frequently participate in online auctions (ebay, HA, CNC etc...). If the numbers feel smaller and there are not that many young people, it is probably because we are online and mostly invisible.

Another possibility, assuming the young are not around, is because we lack the resources to collect. The ARP has sucked up the cheapest and sometimes most enjoyable part of collecting, leaving only new steel coins or the occasional lucky find. It is not the most exciting time to be CRH, especially as a new collector.
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 Posted 04/17/2016  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
Lots of good points here but I mostly agree with Purleywasted on this one. All steel coins is not much fun not to mention todays presses can pump out 750 coins a minute, quickly and efficiently not leaving much for error collectors. Unless your into quarters and their varieties there is really very little to search for in the rest of todays coins. IMO

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 Posted 04/17/2016  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
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 Posted 04/17/2016  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
I have some Canadian coins but I am not very serious about collecting them for many of the reasons stated above. In particular, I just do not find them particularly interesting. My focus is ancient coins. Most of my collection focusses on the first 100 or so years of the Roman empire.
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 Posted 04/17/2016  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
If I was young, knowing what I know now (yeah, how often have you heard that!) as opposed to the scatter approach, I'd focus on collecting only one complete denomination or era. Most likely 5c including all major varieties, eventually working backward to 1858. After deciding how to attractively display and store them, I'd take a breather and maybe in a few years pick it up again and work towards collecting something else. Much like any other hobby, the level of interest is not generally constant.
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 Posted 04/21/2016  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list
I wonder if the "price value" is taken out of the equation then there would be more collectors.

The trend described in the title of this post is more about "price trend".

Most forums and publications I see such as catalogs are all about "price value".

If I were to have gotten a nickel for the number of times the question is asked on forums "how much is it worth" I would probably have lots of nickels.

One hardly sees questions that are asked in the forum that are looking for "knowledge" material.

There is a general belief and this comes about in many forum replies that if there is no "price value" it is not worth collecting.

If that is the case then the trend of popularity of coin collecting will always ebb and flow with the cycle of our economy.




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 Posted 04/22/2016  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list

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If I were to have gotten a nickel for the number of times the question is asked on forums "how much is it worth" I would probably have lots of nickels


Yah ... but what would those nickels be worth

While the internet may have brought more coins to the market place, it has also brought more collectors. Personally I think it may even be keeping keeping the hobby (and prices) a float.

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 Posted 04/28/2016  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 93cameron to your friends list
Hi Everyone,

Not sure if this fits in with the topic or not...

But for years I have been going into elementary schools and promoting coin collecting by doing classroom talks and handing out coins to kids... the kids love it and hopefully that will stimulate them to get involved in the hobby...

Have a Great Day!

cameron93
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 Posted 04/29/2016  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list
cameron93, great to hear examples like this - very encouraging!
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 Posted 04/30/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list
Topic near and dear to my heart. I'm winding down and will soon have what I have left sold and out the door but not without sad remorse I'm sure, cant get the grandkids interested, my son gave it up, a brother got taken in by a bad guy selling him a load of counterfeit USA coins and still refuses to discuss his stupidity. The hobby will endure but its not the same atmosphere these days, its a big business and not for any newcomers without a deep pocket if ypu want the high end stuff, don't have to venture out to any LCS its all on the net. Ive had some fun in my later years but nowhere near the thrill of what it was like as a teenager. The big wakeup is trying to get a return back on the money spent, I was advised by more wiser members on this forumn not so use the word investment and that is indeed good advice it helps take the sting out of the losses.
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