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1921 Peace Dollar - Can This Really Be What NGC Says It Is?

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 Posted 04/19/2016  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
I would think MS-62.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
Thanks, I feel much better now. Looking at photograde pics and comparing it to a PCGS AU55 and an NGC AU58 that I own I was certain that this was an AU58 at the most due to the wear in that spot on the hair.

But the NGC grade on the slab is MS63, which is right in line with what the obviously brilliant posters here think.

Thanks!
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 Posted 04/19/2016  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
The weakness in the hair comes from the high-relief style of these coins. As the incuse designs in the dies (raised areas of the devices) were so deep, the mint had trouble with getting the metal to flow all of the way into the dies under normal striking pressure. This lack of metal flow into the intricate low parts of the die (high parts of the design) caused the lack of detail you see here. They could have used greater pressure, but at the risk of damaging the dies and giving them a shorter life span.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
syeb, 1921 was a strange year for Peace dollars because they were struck in a high relief which caused a lack of detail in the hair area.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
The high relief gives it such character though. I can just imagine what a high relief Morgan would look like. If they can even put that level of detail in a high relief format.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Well syeb,if you don't like it my birthday comes once a year
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 Posted 04/20/2016  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list
1921 Peace dollars due to high relief striking usually show weakness in the hair near the eye and sometimes a weak strike on the Eagles breast feathers on the reverse.....it is very rare to have a superbly struck 1921 Peace dollar on both sides, and they sell for crazy high money simply because there are not many. I think you have a nice 21 Peace dollar and I personally wouldn't crack it out I think NGC got it right with a 63 possibly a 64.
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04/20/2016 06:33 am
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 Posted 04/20/2016  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dipper to your friends list
Highest it can grade due to strike is 64.

Nice looking coin, My 63 but if the luster/eye appeal of the actual coin overrules the minor hairlines and hits on the cheek = 64.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
Is there a point of resubmitting it to NGC for a regrade? Not cracking it out of course, just submitting for regrade. There is a considerable price difference between 63 and 64.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tech418 to your friends list
That is a beautiful coin. I'm not sure I would challenge that one.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
I believe they only crack it out if they will upgrade it. So there is no risk, only a $30 or so investment for a potential $200+ return. I don't plan on selling it but I gotta think of my future grandchildren!
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 Posted 04/20/2016  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dipper to your friends list
Call me stupid but I NEED HELP. All I see is the coin and the insert. What tells everyone it is in an MS-63 slab? Sorry & Thanks.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add georgescoins to your friends list
Dipper,


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But the NGC grade on the slab is MS63, which is right in line with what the obviously brilliant posters here think.

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 Posted 04/20/2016  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
Sorry I should have highlighted that!
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 Posted 04/20/2016  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
MS-63 is certainly an appropriate grade. Some coins, particularly 1921 Peace dollars, are very weakly struck. Per PCGS grading guidelines, this tends to limit the maximum grade to about MS-64 even if the coin is otherwise pristine. Important not to confuse strike weakness with wear. If a coin is booming with luster but looks really flat ("plateau") in the hair and feathers that is almost always strike weakness.
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