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PR-70 Grade Dumb. As Long As It Doesn't Have A Huge Scratch It's Fine

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 Posted 04/27/2016  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
I hate general rants against the TPG market. Get with it and learn to navigate it or get out of the way. The hobby will never go back to "the good ole days". Pandora's box was opened in 1986 and you can't put the cat back in the bag
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 Posted 04/27/2016  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
No, but you can skin it.

(Please note, I do not advocate the skinning of actual cats.)
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 Posted 04/27/2016  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdrosophila to your friends list
Slab is good for preventing people buying expensive fakes or doctored coins.
It gives people confidence to hold their investment in coins and thus expands the appeal to a lot of collectors and non-collectors.
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 Posted 04/27/2016  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
some people won't even buy coins without them being graded.
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 Posted 04/27/2016  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list

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Slab is good for preventing people buying expensive fakes or doctored coins.
It gives people confidence to hold their investment in coins and thus expands the appeal to a lot of collectors and non-collectors.

Yeah, until you get victimized by a fake slab. I don't trust anything anymore, that's why I buy only raw circulated coins.
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 Posted 04/28/2016  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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...that's why I buy only raw circulated coins.
I prefer raw circulated coins, too.
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 Posted 04/28/2016  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
I prefer raw circulated conditional rarity coins like a good f12 03o morgan for example. Love playing with and flipping around a coin that's worth more in F than in low MS
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 Posted 04/30/2016  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
I have to disagree witht hat just about totally.

There has ALWAYS been a system of grading. And the values of coins are rightfully based on that. Whether you call it Unc, Brilliant Unc Gem Unc etc, or MS62, MS 67 or MS70, its the same thing. And if you are truly going to try to say that a Morgan in MS62 is no different than a Morgan in MS68, you are woefully mistaken.

And the old way? Oh please. You mean where I have to listen to some shyster dealer try to tell me why his Morgan should be a gem (a loose term at best) and I should pay that price when it would be lucky to pull a 64? Yeah, I am ALLLLLL for that. Dont get me wrong. I will pummel the grades and supposed Godliness of the hacks at PCGS and NGC any day. And I have. But at least there is a fairly defined set of guidelines for the condition of a coin besides the exceedingly subjective "eye appeal".
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 Posted 05/01/2016  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
Slabs lead to less ripoffs and allow collectors to buy a variety of types as well as expensive dates without being worried about the coin being worth much less than they buy it for. Almost everything above $200 that does not have problems is slabbed these days, so if you collect high-end coins, you are buying slabs. The search for the perfect bullion coin is a ridiculous one IMO. I was at a show where a dealer was buying an MS-70 Ike for a client for $3000. The buying dealer and selling dealer were laughing at the client (who was not at the show) and shaking their heads saying maybe we can convince him to buy a Bust Dollar instead so he'll really have something worth something.
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 Posted 05/01/2016  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpaceMaNy0 to your friends list
All the hullabaloo over 60+ coins makes me love my single digit junk even more. I just like silver.
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 Posted 05/01/2016  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list

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I hate general rants against the TPG market. Get with it and learn to navigate it or get out of the way. The hobby will never go back to "the good ole days". Pandora's box was opened in 1986 and you can't put the cat back in the bag


Could not agree more!
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 Posted 05/01/2016  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paola1 to your friends list
I'm not a person that buy cool stuff only cause of its brand .
I buy what I like and what makes me happy , unfortunately coins got the same faking wave as everything else and I don't want to collect a coin that was made on someone's basement .
I'm collecting a piece of history and it's different of buying a pair of shoes that will be gone in few months .
I buy raw coins from trustfull sellers and unfortunately expensive ones we need to buy slabbed or we won't know what we are getting.
I know it's a polemic topic and as all the forums there are different opinions
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 Posted 05/01/2016  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Ah, Mike Mezack.

See, Alvaro, you don't understand. These are the Proof 70 issues, directly from the mint. These are certified, certified as flawless, PR70; flawless by (PCGS/NGC/ANACS). These coins are not available, let me repeat that, not available to the general public. These are the Proof 70 coins. Now, you will see a lot of other networks offering the Proof coins in a 68 or 69 grade, but these aren't those. These are the Proof 70 coins. This is a rare opportunity to obtain the Proof 70 coins so sought after by collectors. And, for a limited time, we will include a red oak box, suitable for storing these rare gems.

Now, how can you resist that?

I think stabbed coins do serve an important purpose and I do occasionally buy stabbed coins (and occasionally crack them out). In terms of authenticity and a professional opinion of grade, they can be very useful. But, it is important to remember (in the style of Mike Mezack) that buying coins in slabs does not relieve the collector - let me repeat, does not relieve the collector - from knowing how to authenticate and grade coins on some level.

And I do think too much weight is given to the exact grade assigned by the TPG's. Is it a 69 or a 70? Who knows? Who cares, really? If you are just collecting slabs based on the writing on the slab, I guess that is fine, but I think most collectors focus on the coin in the slab, or a raw coin, and say "that's a beautiful coin".

If you are a coin collector, I think slabs play a role in the collecting market. But if you are just collecting slabs to avoid the need to become knowledgable about the coins in them, I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment someday.
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 Posted 05/01/2016  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namssob to your friends list
I prefer raw also! I have bought slabbed coins for the rare key dates of some series, just to ensure authenticity, but otherwise don't want anything slabbed if I can avoid it. I also bought a PR70 Wash Quarter just to own one, but it was cheap and thought it would be just a fun conversation piece.
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But if you are just collecting slabs to avoid the need to become knowledgable about the coins in them, I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment someday.

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