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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Due to the proliferation of counterfeits of NCLT or Bullion coins on the market now the only COA that has any sort of relevance is what is issued by whatever TPG a coin is graded by and even then this can be faked. The only thing I look for on a COA is the serial number. If this is low then there is a good chance that the coin is from a fresh die, Otherwise it is just another bit of paper that comes with your coin . |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If this is low then there is a good chance that the coin is from a fresh die That is false; at least with the RCM. The number on the COA has no relation to the order in which the coin was minted. A lower COA may indicate that the COA was printed earlier but it does not mean the coin was produced with a fresh die or even increase the chance that it is an early strike. Unfortunately, it is commonly inferred that a low number means early minting and some people will even pay a premium to get a low number based on that mistaken belief. Hence, why an easily 'counterfeited' COA is a temptation for sellers to create value with their home printer. |
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Rest in Peace
 Canada
1360 Posts |
Just for Comparison, this is a scan of my two most recent COA's The top being from the M/C $20.00'The Polar Bear', and the other from the 'Queen Elisabeth Rose' $3.00. Could it have simply been a mis-print on the printer's part to not put a box around the certificate? Or a conscious decision on somebodies part to reduce the ink, and the quality of the paper.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Reducing the miniscule amount of extra ink is not going to affect the overall cost of the COA, so this is not an issue. the only thing that changes the cost of printing is the number of colors, the paper quality, and how many are being printed.
If you have 1 or 2 colors its cheaper than 3 (which would be full color printing)
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Rest in Peace
Canada
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Thank you Ace, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here, as both have two colours - gold and black. Although it doesn't come through in my scan, the older style COA is a slightly yellowish stock - antique looking. The newer one is plain white paper.
In hand, the newer one, upon closer inspection, the stylized maple leaf has more sheen to it than the old style.
So, I agree with you, that cost shouldn't be a factor - so why the change?
Edited by Dcadon
05/12/2016 2:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Things change, these COA's evolve.
Plus ça change.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
644 Posts |
I think the reasoning behind the different COA styles is that the three Master's Club coins (goose, voyageur, polar bear) all have COAs without the black and gold borders around them to make them distinct or different from regular COAs.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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One thing I would like to see RCM do is put a reflective hologram like on the $5 or higher bills as security. Maybe on the logo and/or serial number. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@CoinCanuck94 You are correct. I just checked my three Master Club coins, The scalloped goose, The Voyageur and the Iconic Polar bear and they all have white COA's!! RCM is making sure that the Master Club editions of coins have white COA's. |
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Rest in Peace
Canada
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So, they cheapened the COA's for their best customers....only. Not impressed, and funny that I didn't notice it until this release, as I have both the Geese, and the Voyageur coin - I'll have to go check mine now.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:One thing I would like to see RCM do is put a reflective hologram like on the $5 or higher bills as security. Maybe on the logo and/or serial number I would like to see the same - it is a good way for the RCM to improve the image of their products. Besides, the clamshell outer sleeves for some of the branded products (like Vancouver Olympics and CFL) already used holograms. It makes sense to add one to the COA. Just my Two Cents...  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Have to admit that I didn't notice the difference with the Voyageur but it is indeed white with no outer border lines. The paper is reasonably heavy at least and the Mint logo is embossed so it's not quite as cheap as it could have been straight from a printer or photocopier. That said, it's definitely not as nice as the COA of the distant past or even the much cheaper versions that we been getting the past couple of years.  |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Disappointed that the Mint has cheapened their COAs at a time when there is an increase in counterfeit NCLT coins including packaging & COAs. 2015 proof SAE's come to mind. Understandably often these are discarded but any serious collector would want to hang on to both. Quote:
The number on the COA has no relation to the order in which the coin was minted. They are randomly inserted. I saw this first hand at the Windsor RCNA with the medallion sets. 500 were assembled and the first was no better quality than the last. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Interesting. I never got to read the Certificates of Authenticity in my Canadian NCLT coins. I trusted the big coin dealers and dismissed doubts as long as I saw the slip sitting there. It's better to be a bit more cautious, now that I've read the replies to this thread.
I never paid attention to the layout of the slips, but the boxes of coins in the same series sometimes fluctuate in size also. I personally don't like that inconsistency, even though the coin itself is probably more important.
Has anyone thought of the possibility that a third party prints for them all packaging and certificates, and even edits for them?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Has anyone thought of the possibility that a third party prints for them all packaging and certificates, and even edits for them? Most likely some if not all the packaging is made in China/or some other place cheap. The CoAs most likely are done by the Mint, I mean all you would need is a fancy printer of some type, the changes to the size and now color/type of paper etc could be just them following advice from their bean counters, a few pennies saved on hundreds of thousands CoAs adds up. But maybe they farm out the CoAs too I don't know. Edited by Northerncoins
06/18/2016 06:44 am
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