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Seller Blocking Me From Making Offers - Is He Being Unreasonable?

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 Posted 07/05/2016  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Check out my store, and make me some low offers I don't care how low the offers are, but that's me. Just continue to do business the way you want, but don't take it personal the way others do their business. Like others have said...just move on...to my store
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 Posted 07/05/2016  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
edweather - if you have capped bust halves for sale I will find you!
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 Posted 07/05/2016  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I agree with oriole 100%:


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I would rarely ask for more than 20% off the asking price of anything. So if something is that much over-priced I would not even bother......Find other people to buy from.


And I would use the "auto-decline" feature if I was the seller in question. It can help avoid headaches on both ends.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The best way to avoid low offers is for the seller to use the tools offered . You can set the lowest amount you will see and the rest are automatically declined. Then as a seller you can avoid any potentially obnoxious situations , either buyer or seller.
ebay is a very positive selling experience for us, I have been able to sell coins on the internet that would have sat forever in my shop or never even gotten a look at a table at a show.
Seller has every right in any any kind of establishment , store , online business, or restaurant to refuse service to anyone for any reason, so long as it does not violate a persons human rights. The right of a seller to block any bidder on ebay is
Perfectly OK. No reason at all is needed. Our blocked bidder list is not long but every name on there has earned a spot.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
I have never used the auto-decline feature as a seller. Is there a way for a seller to see the declined offers? Otherwise he would run the risk of losing potential customers.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Pacificoin - Well said. There are some dealers who would be surprised if they had a 70% offer, but for the most part, don't even waste your time.
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07/05/2016 6:25 pm
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 Posted 07/05/2016  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
While we're on the subject, consider this scenario:

For sale: An early 1800's NGC/PCGS graded AU level silver coin.


Price levels available to the buyer:
Recent ebay HA, SB, & Legend sales over the past 6 months ranged between $600-$1,000 for the same date but with varying Overton die varieties/ rarities, not always obvious. Some with CAC.
Numismedia value $800
PCGS price guide value $1100
NGC value $950
Most recent RedBook value $1,000
The seller offers the coin at $900 with "Best Offer"

Since pics cannot always differentiate between levels within a grade, is a buyer being unreasonable by sending an offer of $600 (the lowest recent sale price) or over 30% less than the listing price? If the seller believes the coin is of a better quality, why not just let the buyer know the facts, or at least the seller's opinion? Then the buyer will at least have the opportunity to discuss the relative quality of the coin rather than being safe and assuming the worst. The buyer may be perfectly happy to pay much higher, even close to or at the list price in this situation. By automatically declining offers, the seller is doing himself a disservice.

That is why when I sell with Best Offer, I never use auto-decline. Not to mention the knowledge of what offers are coming through is helpful in gauging interest.


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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list

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Is there a way for a seller to see the declined offers? Otherwise he would run the risk of losing potential customers.

There is a way to see declined offers. When you go into your own listing, they are shown.
However, I can't see your logic. How are they potential customers?
A) Once an offer is declined you cannot accept it.
B) You should set your auto decline number to a level that you are sure you want to decline. If you may accept such an offer, don't auto decline it.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
My logic is twofold. First, auto-decline makes the assumption that a low offer indicates that the buyer will never meet the seller's price. This is a fallacy, as I've stated earlier that an opening bid is potentially significantly below the maximum purchase price the buyer is willing to pay. It just represents the opening move in the chess game.

Second, by using auto-decline the opportunity to counter and perhaps make a sale is lost.

My point in at least seeing the declined bids is the opportunity to contact the bidders to work out a deal if possible.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I have found the best way to deal with lowball offers is Not to reply to them and let the buyer just hang there until the offer expires.
They only get 3 shots at it and it is no skin off my back to just ignore them
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 Posted 07/05/2016  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
Maybe it has to do with volume. I only have 20-30 listings at a time so it is not a big deal to respond to each offer. I guess for a high volume seller with hundreds or thousands of listings, that would be impossible.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  06:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdiablo30 to your friends list
I've actually had fairly decent success in making reasonable offers. Someone had a coin I wanted for 700 OBO. I checked the number,saw what PCGS price guice was and made a offer a few dollars higher then that. I think dealers also list some items high,just to be able to hear out and then counteract offers. I've actually been surprised a few times when the sellers accepted my offer. I guess if it doesn't happen,just move on and wait for the next score.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
jdiablo - just be wary of PCGS or other price guides. They tend to be wildly inflated and out of date. Better to gather the raw data from actual sales on ebay, Heritage, and other auction sites.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list
I've only been blocked by one seller. It was a coin listed at 35% over The NGC Krause world value and the listing described it as unique. I messaged asking to confirm the KM and what was "unique" about this one. His response was he didn't have time to look it up. I was going to make an offer based on everything (it was slabbed), but I'd already been blocked before I could even make an initial offer simply for asking those questions. Oh well. Life moves on.

In another instance, I messaged a seller about one of their coins. It would be a $90 catalog as problem free, but the coin had two planchet flaws (two broken edges). The seller listed it at $75. The value of the next grade down was $50. With the two flaws, I feel $50 is max valuation for its best day. In correspondence, the seller said they'd come down 20%, but that is $60. It's up to me if I want to pay a premium for this specific coin. It's still listed. But everyone was nice, and doors are still open for down the road.

But this past weekend I made an offer on an antique citrus crate from my family's home town. In the offer, I noted the reason for my interest and my reason for an offer that was 1/3 of his list price (what I've bought other similar crates for on ebay). I was s little surprised, but he accepted the offer :)

I think the nature of the beast is a few dealers don't actually want to be bothered, a few are playing capitalistic games more than anything, but the vast majority list a number as a starting point to good faith negotiations with someone and are accommodating from there to the back and forth as long as things are civil. I'm grateful the majority are this third type, and I'll not take offense with the minority others.
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07/06/2016 2:03 pm
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 Posted 07/06/2016  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
On a related note, I just sold a coin tonight at 20% below my Best Offer price. My listing price was at the high end of the range, the buyer bid at the low end. Seeing as the buyer was serious, and was likely to come back again, I decided to make the sale and thereby earn a potential future customer. Yes I sold the coin below what I thought I could get and I could certainly have countered and probably received another 10% but that's business. And I didn't get all insulted and block the buyer!
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07/06/2016 10:37 pm
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