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Does Grading Change Over Time If Stored Properly?

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 Posted 09/06/2016  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Do NOT regrade them, if they are at 69, MS or PF, either way.

Toning - what looks like discoloration - may have either a negative or positive affect on the desirability of a coin. Some consider certain toning to greatly increase the value of a like graded coin. Others like only bright "white" coins (in silver) without any hint of toning.

If you would like very specific answers to your questions I would recommend that you take a few photos and post them here. We can give you a pretty fair evaluation of the good or the bad influence that toning may have had to the coins you have.

It is also possible that the tone has not developed over time, but has always been there.
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 Posted 09/06/2016  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TCL963 to your friends list
Thank you all for the help. I obviously know nothing about coins. I did notice a whole bunch of the gold coins had random spots of toning, so it had me worried. I'll try to take a few pictures tonight to show what I'm talking about.
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 Posted 09/06/2016  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Yes, please do!



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 Posted 09/06/2016  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list

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I'll try to take a few pictures tonight to show what I'm talking about.

TCL963, this would be great. You are doing a great job for your mother and yourself in doing the research. Post away.
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 Posted 09/06/2016  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TCL963 to your friends list
These are all different coins. There's very noticeable color variation especially around the chin and cheeks, but they are all PCGS 69. Sorry, they're not the best pictures.

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 Posted 09/06/2016  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TCL963 to your friends list
Here's another example. Again, not good pics, but the second one looks really dark and splotchy in person, especially around the arm. Both PCGS 69, but looks completely different.

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 Posted 09/06/2016  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
This sort of toning will not hurt the grade or even likely the value.
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 Posted 09/06/2016  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TCL963 to your friends list
Thanks for the response. That makes me feel must better.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list
The answer is "yes, it's possible".
But not for the reason you think.
Grading standards at the TPG's change over time.
Sometimes slowly, but sometimes in a heartbeat if there's a change in ownership.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buzz Killington to your friends list
I would consider this discoloration as undesirable. However, since the Liberty doesn't bring much if any premium over melt, it won't affect the value. The FDR coin might have a modest premium, but it is not rare by any means.

If you are looking to sell them DO NOT take them out of these slabs, just sell them as is, and hope for the best.

However, I do view this as further proof that buying PCGS slabbed gold is a risky proposition. I have seen terribly ugly red toning on slabbed First Spouse coins that is unlikely to have been there when the coin was first slabbed, or it never would have been submitted for grading. PCGS has allegedly re-engineered its slab, but I am still skeptical.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
First order of Business.

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This is just normal toning and nothing really to worry about.
Great images BTW
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 Posted 09/07/2016  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TCL963 to your friends list
Thanks everyone. He has a bunch of different gold coins and it seems to only be the ones that have more of a raised and textured design that are affected by the toning. There are quite a few that still look perfect.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
I'll thank the forum as well. I have similar toning on my 2007 gold Buffalo -- it's a small patch and I discovered it only fairly recently, after I got my loupe. I agree it's undesirable but that's just my opinion -- there are those who like various degrees of toning and sometimes it can be appealing, but it won't affect the melt value and there's not much numismatic premium for the common Liberty pieces.
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 Posted 09/07/2016  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list
iread an article about a Lincoln Cent (zinc composition) braded MS 70 by one of the top grading services) that sold for many thousands of dollars at an auction.. it later deteriorated in the encasement.

i did not ever find out the putcome of the value/deterioration value. but my opinion is that YES a coin can change grade/value even after being graded and encapsuled in a good holder.

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 Posted 09/07/2016  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
They offer more protection than raw coins, but slabs are not completely air tight. Over time a slab can (and will) be infiltrated by the environment.
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