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Smoothed a/k/a tooled means that somebody took an instrument and well smoothed a bit of the coin that was damaged.
For example, suppose there was a ding with the metal raised around it. If you took an instrument and moved the metal back and them smoothed around it, that would be, well, smoothed.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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I myself have had nothing but nightmares with both PCGS and NGC. Multiple errors on holders every time I submit. I submitted a redfield to NGC, they did not have a label so they could not grade it. Then I sent the same coin to PCGS and they said they do not grade redfield's that would grade under 62. Meanwhile my coin dealer friends buddy get his 2 redfields back from them graded under 62. I sent a Red 1859 Indian Head cent to NGC once to get graded and got the same date GOLD one back! I was so mad I broke it out and still had photos of the original coin and the graded one but they did not care. Oh I forgot to add, I did have to still pay for submissions for these! Edited by pauliswilling
09/08/2016 01:04 am
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I will show you a photo tomarrow of the coin they said was below a 62. Her exact words at PCGS was that the coin will not grade any higher than the grade on the holder!
I said, well that's interesting because there IS NO GRADE on the holder!
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Here you go:    I guarantee you if I was a large auction company I would have had no problems getting it graded. |
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I guess there's a lot of politics in the grading of coins when you believe it could be done much more efficiently if it were kept simple. personally I don't understand why each point in the 70 point scale Isn't used vf 30 31 32 33 34 ef 41 42 43 44 etc. some coins are nicer than others... besides isn't every coin that wasnt graded ms 70 technically "damaged"
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Actually, pauliswilling there is an implied grade. Paramount used black, red and green backgrounds. This was at a time when the only grades used were MS-60 -63 and -65.
Green is 65+
Red is 63, 65
Black is 60 (which includes today's MS61 and MS62 grades)
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What do you mean by "grading machine damage"?
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What do you mean by "grading machine damage"? The title confused me at first too. Better wording might be, "PCGS Graders said Machine Damage". |
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Quote: I sent a Red 1859 Indian Head cent to NGC once to get graded and got the same date GOLD one back! I was so mad I broke it out and still had photos of the original coin and the graded one but they did not care. Interesting because 1859 coppernickel Indian cents do not come either red or gold. And once you cracked it out I don't blame NGC for not caring. Once you cracked it out you threw away any guarantee or claim you might have had against them. |
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There are blacks either marked or unmarked and what difference does it make? I spent 100 dollars trying to get this coin submitted and they wouldn't give me the time of day as usual. I can show you holders you would laugh at the way they were graded and marked on the holder! So I spent a hundred dollars and have the very same coin with no grade in the very same holder, sounds fair!
I have 2 redfield's in the red holders. One is a 1900-S in the 65 and it is the first I have seen that actually looks like it would really 65! There are also REDS that do not have redfield on them, they just say paramount! Those are the ones to stay away from.
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09/08/2016 7:35 pm
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Actually, pauliswilling there is an implied grade. Paramount used black, red and green backgrounds. This was at a time when the only grades used were MS-60 -63 and -65.
Green is 65+
Red is 63, 65
Black is 60 (which includes today's MS61 and MS62 grades) They had four levels, two of them used the black background holders. Black comes as either MS-60 or with no grade stated (Redfield coins only) that in there opinon didn't make MS-60 level. So the coin posted above was one that they didn't consider to be MS. Except for the ungraded pieces all four come as either labeled Redfield or unlabeled. (These were just coins from Paramounts stock.) There are two different varieties of the red labeled MS-65 holders There are also black MS-60 Redfield holders and red MS-65 Redhield holders that had the grades altered to MS-63 and MS-67 using labeling tape before they were encapsulated. |
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Just out of curiosity, send the coins to NGC and see how they come back.
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PCGS graders usually know their stuff. You're probably missing something.
Have an experienced submitter look at them next time.
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Bedrock of the Community
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A lot of good information in this thread.
Is machine damage ... rolling machine?
I really hope to get one of those Redfield .... someday
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On Redfields machine damage frequently means counting machine damage. There was at least one bag of MS 1895 S dollars in the hoard and most of them today have same scrape marks left on them by the counting machine the IRS used for counting the coins in the hoard.
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