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Picture Updates For 1983 D DDR?

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 Posted 10/31/2016  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AyoJustin to your friends list


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 Posted 10/31/2016  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list
This looks really promising. I'd email John Wexler and ask him for his thoughts
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 Posted 10/31/2016  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AyoJustin to your friends list
I have and he said the format I as using to send him pictures was not visible, when it''s the same format I have used to send other pictures
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 Posted 10/31/2016  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AyoJustin to your friends list
Well if somebody else takes the credit for finding the first 1983 D DDR it's quite alright. At least you guys know you seen it here first haha
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 Posted 10/31/2016  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
With a side by side, these devices look close to normal. Just a tad smaller because the die was probably over polished a bit that reduces the size of the devices on the coins.
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The marks on top, I feel are some circulation flattening on the affected areas.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AyoJustin to your friends list
I'm orry coop. No disrespect and I'm not putting you knowledge down, but the side by side comparison doesn't match maybe if you show me an over polished coin that looks like mine in comparison, I'd be more convinced
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 Posted 10/31/2016  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AyoJustin to your friends list

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 Posted 11/01/2016  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
Intriguing...Especially the middle bar on the E in CENT and the notch on the upper left cross bar of the T in UNITED.

Is it just shadow and reflection? The photos are a bit fuzzy - is that producing what I see?

Are the features really there or only in my imagination?

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 Posted 11/01/2016  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
The faint line in C looked interesting but otherwise the device sizes look correct. I can't really see the notching but may be due to the fuzzy images. Zoom out a bit. Otherwise it appears as a normal cent.

Good luck on the hunt!
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 Posted 11/01/2016  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The issue with the polished die has nothing to do with it being a variety. Even variety dies get polished when event happen that alter the die. (clashes, die dents and ETC) But here is what I'm talking about:
Here is a nickel that the die was so polished away (center image) that the tip of the 'G' is missing and the overall size of the devices are thinner. This is because the field was reduced and part of the wide taper of that letter was reduced, making these letters smaller
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This one is over polished on the bust. So now parts of the face are missing.
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Here is a case where the die edge was polished down unevenly and not the letters look tapered:
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Same thing on this proof die:
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That is why the images of your coins devices looked thinner that the examples I posted. So I still see nothing like hub doubling on your coin. Normal die and the coin has some contact marks on the top of the devices on some letters. Nothing enlarged like the 1983 DDRs.
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I also think what we may be seeing on the middle of the devices(the line down the middle) is whats seen on a lot of earlier zincolns where the middle of the devices cave in/rot away from the underlying zinc for reason unknown at least I havent heard of a good reason yet but ive seen a lot early zincs with this but again these pics arent clear enough to be sure if I'm seeing the same thing but I believe so
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 Posted 11/01/2016  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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I also think what we may be seeing on the middle of the devices(the line down the middle) is whats seen on a lot of earlier zincolns where the middle of the devices cave in/rot away from the underlying zinc for reason unknown


This is new to me - thanks for mentioning it. I wonder if anyone has more information about this?
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 Posted 11/01/2016  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
You might be right slamn. I wondered the same thing.

Pete - not much more to add but what slamn is describing may be caused initially by very small breaks or maybe thin spots in the plating allowing the hydrozincite to start. Maybe even from a bad bond between the zinc substrate and the copper.
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 Posted 11/01/2016  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list
I think slamn is right. The devices are the normal size, so I kind of ruled out hub doubling a while ago. Now just trying to figure out what this is so we can use it for future knowledge.
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