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Pillar of the Community
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This looks really promising. I'd email John Wexler and ask him for his thoughts
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I have and he said the format I as using to send him pictures was not visible, when it''s the same format I have used to send other pictures
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Well if somebody else takes the credit for finding the first 1983 D DDR it's quite alright. At least you guys know you seen it here first haha
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Bedrock of the Community
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With a side by side, these devices look close to normal. Just a tad smaller because the die was probably over polished a bit that reduces the size of the devices on the coins.  The marks on top, I feel are some circulation flattening on the affected areas.
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I'm orry coop. No disrespect and I'm not putting you knowledge down, but the side by side comparison doesn't match maybe if you show me an over polished coin that looks like mine in comparison, I'd be more convinced
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Edited by AyoJustin 10/31/2016 9:54 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Intriguing...Especially the middle bar on the E in CENT and the notch on the upper left cross bar of the T in UNITED. Is it just shadow and reflection? The photos are a bit fuzzy - is that producing what I see? Are the features really there or only in my imagination?  
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Pillar of the Community
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The faint line in C looked interesting but otherwise the device sizes look correct. I can't really see the notching but may be due to the fuzzy images. Zoom out a bit. Otherwise it appears as a normal cent.
Good luck on the hunt!
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Bedrock of the Community
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The issue with the polished die has nothing to do with it being a variety. Even variety dies get polished when event happen that alter the die. (clashes, die dents and ETC) But here is what I'm talking about: Here is a nickel that the die was so polished away (center image) that the tip of the 'G' is missing and the overall size of the devices are thinner. This is because the field was reduced and part of the wide taper of that letter was reduced, making these letters smaller  This one is over polished on the bust. So now parts of the face are missing.  Here is a case where the die edge was polished down unevenly and not the letters look tapered:  Same thing on this proof die:   That is why the images of your coins devices looked thinner that the examples I posted. So I still see nothing like hub doubling on your coin. Normal die and the coin has some contact marks on the top of the devices on some letters. Nothing enlarged like the 1983 DDRs.
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I also think what we may be seeing on the middle of the devices(the line down the middle) is whats seen on a lot of earlier zincolns where the middle of the devices cave in/rot away from the underlying zinc for reason unknown at least I havent heard of a good reason yet but ive seen a lot early zincs with this but again these pics arent clear enough to be sure if I'm seeing the same thing but I believe so
Edited by Slamnbass 11/01/2016 12:14 pm
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Quote: I also think what we may be seeing on the middle of the devices(the line down the middle) is whats seen on a lot of earlier zincolns where the middle of the devices cave in/rot away from the underlying zinc for reason unknown This is new to me - thanks for mentioning it. I wonder if anyone has more information about this?
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You might be right slamn. I wondered the same thing.
Pete - not much more to add but what slamn is describing may be caused initially by very small breaks or maybe thin spots in the plating allowing the hydrozincite to start. Maybe even from a bad bond between the zinc substrate and the copper.
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I think slamn is right. The devices are the normal size, so I kind of ruled out hub doubling a while ago. Now just trying to figure out what this is so we can use it for future knowledge.
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