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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Wow, That's a tricky one for sure.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't think it has been altered. The 9 in the date is the wrong shape, and I don't believe that is the mint mark style used in 1911. The shape of the date looks a lot like a known counterfeit. I found this thread showing a counterfeit 1911-S cent with the same shape date. http://goccf.com/t/271189 for your comparison. Pay attention to the mark under the second 1, the shape of the 9, and the size and location of the mint mark. Edited by cwb
10/31/2016 09:20 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:I found this thread showing a counterfeit 1911-S cent with the same shape date. http://goccf.com/t/271189 for your comparison. Pay attention to the mark under the second 1, the shape of the 9, and the size and location of the mint mark. I agree cwb. Looks like a die transfer counterfeit and probably is. No way I'd touch that one. |
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Definitely NOT altered from a 1941-S or 1951-S I gotta side with nss on this one. After studying the 3 coins, 1911s,1941s,1951s here is what I concluded. 1941s alteration: Cant be a 1941s because there would be a larger space between the 19 and 11 after being altered. In the 41 s coin youll notice the s to fall in line with the edge of the nine snd the start of the 4. If the 4 were altered there would be space between and in this particular 1911 coin there is not a large enough gap. 1951s alteration: Cant be a 1951s due to the stamp of 19. Youll notice in the 51s coin that the first digit "1" is much shorter and does not go as low on the coin. If you look at this 1911s coin the 1 is comparable to the original 1911s. While I cant say this coin is authentic, I'm confident that it is not the 1941s or 1951s. And if it is a fake. It's well done. |
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  United States
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The coin does look like a good match to the counterfeit with the line under the third number in the date.
The coin weighs 3.13 grams on my scale.
Paul Bulgerin
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Could we see the reverse, please?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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New Member
United States
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It's a Chinese counterfeit. The reverse has a die marker common to quite a few dates.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3098 Posts |
Is that the little bump off of the left side wheat stalk?
I've seen that on other known counterfeits.
Paul Bulgerin
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Moderator
 United States
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That diechip confirms that this coin is a Chinese counterfeit. My archives have photos of dozens of different LWC dates with this same diechip (including 1911-S). Interestingly all but two dates (1922 plain, and 1955 DDO) are S mint fakes. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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United States
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I went to my photo archives and found another 1911-S with the die chip on the left wheat stalk. The date on your coin was not altered from another date, but was struck that way (defective). Note that the second one in the date of the fake coins is slightly smaller than the other ones. On a genuine 1911-S, it is slightly larger.  Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Nice work NSS! For me, the MM is off and the date just looks funky. Also, the portrait has that soft look known to the Chinese fakes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, I'll be!!
The link ijn1944 provided is one I posted about another 1911-S four years ago.
I forgot all about that. Some of us are just slow to learn, I guess.
Paul Bulgerin
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's getting scary, isn't it.  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Wow, I am amaze at the amount of attention to details you guys are going through. I am learning a lot. Thanks! What a great community!
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