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Wrongly Attributed 1965 5 Cents Large Bead?

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 Posted 12/14/2016  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Compare it with the images here:

http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...BeadsVar.htm

It is a tough call... I tend use the lining up of the H in ELIZABETH with the beads. The large beads should have the left side of the H lining up in-between the beads. the PCGS coin shows the left side of the H lining up to bead. Thus, by that criteria, this is a mis-attributed small beads.
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 Posted 12/14/2016  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list
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 Posted 12/14/2016  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
Oh dear Lord that's a pricey mistake!
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 Posted 12/14/2016  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
IS this not where PCGS's guarantee kicks in? If it is not usable/enforceable does it have any value? I have seen many discussions on this topic, but never seen a response where someone has gone through the claim process.
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To determine Large from Small for me, I find the Denticle count is precise but would be too long each time so using Ken Potter's image I just marked it out & shortened it up. I saw something similar for the 1973 LG vs. Small beads and just copied it. Seems to be ok so far when I'm searching unless I am missing something easier...

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 Posted 12/15/2016  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tee to your friends list
TaeKenDo, thanks for posting the picture.

By looking at the picture it Seems that if you count from the right marker you only have to go to the left side of the D and you have a good indication of small or large beads.
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Interesting, I was unaware of this variety.

I really like the kionpro link given earlier- it seems to find a definative area to ID large vs small beads...

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I also see a resemblance here to the large vs small beads of the Pennies;
and you can see that the beads are "crowding" the rim on the large bead variety, while there is a discernable "gap" between the rim & bead on the small bead vaiety...
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@Tee, yes, that was why I did it. So I could quickly scan coins and not strain my eyes too much...lol
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 Posted 12/15/2016  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list
So this is a large bead ?
Note the re punched 5 CENTS
If so what would be the value---thanks


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fourmack...it's a small bead...value: 5c

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best marker IMO just may be the lower lip and chin.
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The question raised about PCGS guarantee. As an NGC dealer, incorrect variety attributions do not fall under the guarantee. At least not at NGC and I believe the same applies to PCGS. Although PCGS may desire to make this right.
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 Posted 12/15/2016  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollectic to your friends list
For me, the simplest way to identify is to count beads from the end of the H in Elizabeth to the end of the Roman numeral II. Small beads will be 6, Large beads will be 7.
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 Posted 12/15/2016  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The easiest way is to look at the portrait ..... higher relief on the Large Beads than the Small regular beads. Just like the cents and the Silver Dollars of 1965 . It will stand out like a sore thumb if you are ever lucky enough to handle one.
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Although PCGS may desire to make this right.


I have contacted someone that will bring this to PCGS's attention. Maybe this variety could be the subject of a future column in the CN Journal - but I don't have a large beads in hand to examine and photograph!
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