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Another Overgraded Morgan MS-62?

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 Posted 12/20/2016  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
I would agree with the assigned grade as well.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list
IMO there's TOO much "noise" on that coin.
It's very baggy.
I think MS-61 is a better grade and I wouldn't be surprise at a -60.

But having said that it's also a better date/mm coin.
That may have "gifted" the coin with the higher grade.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list
I plainly see a 62, but I think it could go 61 depending on the grader
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 Posted 12/20/2016  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
And here again we need to point out that surface preservation/contact marks are only half the grade. Look at the strike and luster on the coin in question. It appears very well struck with good luster so even if the surfaces look 61 it's still a 62 overall.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
I think it's properly graded at the MS-62 level although I could see someone arguing for MS-61. The coin is also a CC dollar, and sometimes those coins get a grading break, although I don't think that's right.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
I think it is properly graded, but could go as a 61. Have a look at the comparables below the item. All the 62s look pretty beat up.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Hmmmm
A grade of MS60-MS62 usually equates to an unattractive coin.
This one is NO different to thousands of others graded MS62.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Couldn't agree more about PL surfaces amplifying the bag marks.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jovian to your friends list
This could be my limited experience with Morgans as I only have one. Which I always thought was a little over-graded. It is raw, in a 2x2 as it was purchased. It was graded MS-60 by the dealer and I always thought AU-55 to 58 would be more appropriate. I agree with the PL amplifying, but even with that I think my Morgan looks better and has fewer marks. Maybe I am missing the point, but I thought AU was default for a coin that looked like it was circulated at all. Anyway this is the only comparison I have.


Another-Overgraded-Morgan-MS-62?

If I am under-grading my coins that much then I need a few lessons.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
As I stated above, mirrored prooflike surfaces show up any marks, nicks, rub, or abrasions to much greater effect than non-PL surfaces. This is why many PL and (especially) DMPL collectors will not buy PLs/DMPL's below MS64 (or really nice MS63's) unless it's a tough date/MM to find in PL/DMPL. 1881-CC is slightly tougher but by no means scarce in PL so this coin would not be of interest to most PL Morgan collectors unless they're on a very tight budget. More than likely, it will end up bought by a large dealer who will use market leverage to work it into a 63PL or even a 62DMPL slab from PCGS, whereupon it can be flipped to people who buy slabs and not coins.

Jovian, your Morgan looks about AU55 to me. Still has quite a bit of luster remaining, though, and a good strike.
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 Posted 12/23/2016  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grumpy56 to your friends list
I think that CC Morgan is a strong 62 actually. Not bad eye appeal at all for a 62.
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 Posted 12/23/2016  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Proof like coins are very hard to take pictures of.

I am thinking this coin would look better in hand
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 Posted 12/23/2016  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
That HA coin is a shot 63 .... pretty nice for a 62 compared some we have had lately.
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 Posted 12/25/2016  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list
I think you got an OK deal when you factor in buyer's premium. You notice that you get about what the coin is actually worth on these big auctions. Are you thinking of keeping it or do you want to try and flip it? Are you going to crack it out of its slab?
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 Posted 12/25/2016  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Certainly at least 62 and I dare say it deserves a 63 - prooflike surfaces GREATLY exaggerate very small marks so even on a 64 PL you can expect the fields to be very noisy.
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