I Wonder How Much Centles Will Rip Someone Off With This Fake MS-63 1884 Ob1

Very poor choice of words in your title. I was expecting to see a 100% counterfeit coin sold by a shady fly by night seller..

In the sellers defense I seriously doubt someone with over 181,000 transactions and nearly perfect 99.8% positive feedback is DELIBERATELY trying to sell a "fake" coin and trying to "rip someone off"...

Surely he did not personally go down to ICG and slab that coin in that holder himself..

I wonder how many high volume coin dealers in the U.S., trying to resell an obscure variety of a Canadian cent, honestly even know what the heck an "obverse 1" even looks like?

I can't blame the guy for trusting what the TPG slabbed the coin as. Outside of checking for the correct date, grade and type of coin in the holder it's not something obvious to anyone that doesn't collect or specializes in this variety..

I've seen and heard of many coins placed in wrong or mislabeled holders by TPG's. I've seen mistakes as stupid and obvious as a 1909 S Indian Head cent placed inside an 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent labeled holder by a popular and reputable TPG. If someone put that for sale on ebay who would you consider the idiot in that sale, the buyer or the seller?

Buyer beware!!

I just wish people would resist this knee jerk urge to bash coin seller's without first giving them the benefit of doubt.

I believe at some point, as buyers, more specifically variety collectors, we all need to take some responsibility for knowing what it is WE are paying for....
I can't begin to count how many times I've read "Please Look Closely at The Coin in The Photo and Judge For Yourself, This is The Coin You Will Receive" in sellers description..

Damn, nice pick is all I have to say. RP1? hard to see with shadow.

The fact that centsles is still in business is a testament that most buyers have no clue what they are buying.

It's not one of his many "NNC-graded" coins, though. I think ICG is recognized by e-bay.

The most interesting theme of this thread is that if this was an obverse 1 coin mis-attributed as an obverse 2, this thread wouldn't exists.

Centsles at one time sent coins to the UK.Never had a problem and got some nice coins.There are rip off mongers out there Centsles is not one.Move on if you don't like him....Many do, get some cracking coins and stop whinging.

In his defense, there are cases where bidders do stick with a single seller for a period of times. I have a couple of buyers like that (because of geographic proximity) and I've also bought many coins from a German dealer where it probably looked similar. Saying that, to pay this kind of money for an ICG coin is risky. Although I did cross grade a couple of ICG coins to ICCS in the past and they both crossed within a grade.