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Finn's Big Project - A Study Of The "Gadhaiya Paisa" And Related Coinage

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 Posted 06/17/2017  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
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I got all of these in a single job lot, and haven't seen any since. They were all heavily worn and heavily corroded, so I have forgone the standard 2x2 image resolution to ensure I am capturing all the details.

7.05
11mm
3.55g

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Here we see a copper variant of 7.01, with a dot for an eye. There is a character behind the ear; I am not sure if this is the standard "Ja" or something else. Not much fire altar to speak of here.
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7.06
12mm
3.83g

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Despite the extremely heavy wear, this is the heaviest coin of this type. We can see the full "Ja" behind the head, as well as the nose shape. I don't think this one has an "eye". Only the center of the fire altar is present.
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7.07
11mm
3.35g

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This one is extremely corroded, but we can see a little bit of an eye and what appears to be the vertical lines of the ribbon. The bowl and flames of the fire altar are present on the reverse, and there is a star at the center, rather than any characters.
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7.08
12mm
3.21g

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Interestingly, the eye on this coin is a circle; we'll see that again in the Sri Omkara series later. A good deal of the reverse is present, showing that these coins also have the arms of the attendants, but it's difficult to tell if the dots above are randomly placed.
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I did some searching and found only one auction. Is it a rare issue, or simply not popular


Dunno, but I'm seeing several out there, particularly at Marudhar Arts. Seem to run about $20 - $40 or so, if my conversion is right. The fire altars have a "devanagiri sri" in the center. Interesting. Here are some:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3364686

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3367553

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3372853

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=2483736

https://www.marudhararts.com/e-auct...radeva-.html

https://www.marudhararts.com/e-auct...hambor-.html

https://www.marudhararts.com/e-auct...ambore-.html


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Btw, Steve, safe to say the "7.05," "7.06," etc., are officially "Finn Numbers" for the types?
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Thanks for those links, Bob! I'll have to keep my eyes peeled; I like how in addition to the "Sri" added to the center of the fire altar, there also seems to be a miniature Gadhaiya-style head on the left side.

I also stumbled on these last night, either a very late form or cousin of the "Unusual Nose" type:

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/co...Default.aspx

And as for the numbers, that was my original intent, although truth be told I may have to revise them somewhat. For example, since starting this thread I have almost doubled the number of coins I have to represent Series 1, and I hope to fill out some of the styles I know I am still missing.
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Series 8 - Horseman type

Area - Konkan (West-Central coast, south of Gujarat) or Malwa
Time period - 950-1300 AD?
Attributed to - Silaharas of Konkan, or Rajput kingdoms of Malwa
Overall rarity - Very Scarce
Price range - $25-50

Fabric
Flan diameter - Small
Die size - Much larger than flan
Typical centering - Fair
Strike quality - Very Good
Thickness - Thick
Weight - 4.1 - 4.5g
Typical wear - Light
Silver purity - Medium

Design Engraving skill - Fair
Design relief - High

This type tends to be attributed to the Silahara dynasty. It is very similar to the "Ja" type, but a critical difference is that they have an ear very similar to the Gadhaiya Paisa, rather than the "Ja" symbol of later coins. On the reverse we see a scene depicting a cavalry battle: a horseman with a raised arm is attacking one foot soldier in front of him while his horse tramples another on the ground. The reverse comes with a decent variety of stylization, ranging from very realistic to very abstracted.

8.01
16mm
4.13g

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This example is unusually large compared to most specimens. The portrait takes the shape of the Malwa coins with eyes, but is more spread. We can see a bit of the horizontal ribbon lines, but sadly none of the curly part. The eye here presents as a semi-circle, and the ear is closer to the highly stylized late Gadhaiya Paisa. The reverse is of somewhat better style than typical, showing a good deal of care in the horse, and the fallen foot soldier is clearly trying to shield his face from being trampled.

8.02
13mm
4.41g

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This example curiously is much smaller than 8.01, but is so thick it actually weighs more. The portrait is of the same style, but more squat so it fits almost as well, and the reverse is similarly compressed; we cannot see all of the soldier being trampled, but we can see most of the horseman, part of his foe to the front, and a little bit of the sun above them.
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Well, as you have all probably noticed, Photobucket's new third party hosting policy has taken a crow bar to this thread's knees. While I could update the images one by one, I have plenty of revisions and reorganizations to make. After some consideration, I think it is time to scuttle this thread and start over fresh.

Thanks to all who have been following this thread, and for all the kind and encouraging words!

Going forward, I think I will be making a separate thread for the coins in a particular series, that way the door is open for updates if/when I am able to add more.
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I'll fix it, gimme an hour.
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I have web-friendly images for all of my coins, but to illustrate what I mean by reorganizations, I have decided to move 2.01 back up to Series 1, I have about 11 other coins to add to Series 1, I need to redact my assessment on when the attendants become homogenous, and I am also going to just merge series 2 and 2a back together.
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Do you want me to stop fixing it?
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 Posted 07/29/2017  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
Oh man, I wish I could see your coin pics! The new third party hosting policy at photobucket has got me in a bind also, I've been putting all my stuff on there, I"m trying to figure out where to go now. All the pics I've posted today I've downloaded from photobucket then UPLOADED here.

Like this one, here's a file altar...
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Arab Bukhara, Abassid Caliph Al-Mahdi, 775-785 AD. Billon drachm.
O: Bust right, Arabic legend behind (Al-Madhi), Sogdian legend before. R: Fire altar, head right. 26 mm, 2.5 g
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Excellent coin!
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Real interesting coin Chris. Got see about getting one of these. Thanks for posting it.
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