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Valued Member
Canada
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Thankyou Mike for confirming that the counterfeit quarters that this person had are off the market. I was concerned that he still had them based on an e-mail that he sent to me on Jan 16, 2017 where he said " By the way I am not fully convinced they are fake. They were deamed fake by one man. I will seek a second opinion. I am happy that he took my advice and sought your opinion because I was suspicious of them when I first saw the photos of them that he sent to me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@Crazyb0, the way I read the US Hobby Protection Act, it's not illegal to possess them, as long as you do not attempt to sell them. I would scratch "COPY" into them myself, since they're just placeholders for you, to prevent anyone downstream from thinking they're real. I could be wrong of course - here is the law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...5/chapter-48. It was beefed up a few years ago I think to include the "provisions of assistance or support", which in my mind ebay violates on a daily basis. |
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Thank you Kbbpll,  the link did answer my question. In the "Notes" section under "Effective dates, it appears any item prior to Nov. 29, 1973 (enacted date of law) is "grandfathered"...not subjected to mandatory "COPY" markings. If enough research was done, I could probably find out who made these and when. Composition seems to be pewter from the drop test, so assume these are older than 1973. Although unnecessary, I will be heating up the Dremel & add to what ID info already written on mounting and listed in will. A little scratching won't affect the value of a fake coin, still worth nothing!  As for those coins made to fool...hopefully there's a new sheriff in town that will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, both here and other nations as well! |
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United States
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Thanks Crazyb0, I forgot about the "grandfather" provision. I have a US 1861 dime that sat in my collection for over 40 years, obtained from my grandfather, that I never knew was a contemporary counterfeit until about 6 months ago. I don't know if my grandfather ever knew it was counterfeit. You can see how fakes can collect dust for a long time without owners knowing. In my case, the fake is actually worth more than if it was real. :) We won't see that with this Chinese junk though.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I am just throwing this out here, as I completely get Mike's position on the detriment to the hobby with no speaking out. Trenton is a very small area, having lived there for several years I was hosed with counterfeits on seperate occasions by two different individuals. Upon doing my research, I later found out these two individuals know each other well. Further suspect is one of the counterfeit coins that is trying to be sold right now. Perhaps I can be of some assistance here. Feel free to contact me privately.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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thrustie you are blocking emails through this site. Please email me at fakecoins@live.com Mike Marshall
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 Canada
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Thanks for being proactive Mike. As a note to others, posting of emails addresses are generally not allowed in our threads and posts - but I would argue that this one NEEDS to be here.
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Valued Member
Canada
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I agree. I could not find contact info for Mike last week when I was first approached with the 1875H and 1889 quarters. I an so happy that the owner managed to find him through another person. I will put Mike's e-mail in my file for future reference if the need should arise.
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Valued Member
Canada
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One half of the 1858 penny is on its way to Ottawa for testing.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Canada
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I XRF tested this 1858 coin (half) that was sent to me. This would have been the rarest one of them all, had it been legit. Not only was it coinage axis, but it was also brass...
It was the exact same composition as the 1859 counterfeit brass coins from China, which is basically cartridge brass (more than 30% Zinc).
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I wonder if the collectors who owns those brass cents are starting to worry
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Moderator
Canada
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I also put this one under the microscope at work, to capture the texture of the surface. This would probably be a generation 1 cast production of the counterfeit dies.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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SPP, Great capture of this coin... You can certainly tell by looking at the surface of this coin that it's a counterfeit and, a cast model. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Great picture and information. What magnification was this done at?
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