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1796 Draped Bust Dollar - Looks Fishy

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 Posted 03/22/2017  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
Really you just have to read the lies in the description:

1) "Coin detail information and example images provided courtesy of Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS)".

2) "My husband is the concrete Foreman in San Diego California we pulled up some sidewalk in downtown San Diego to replace it and found it underneath the concrete"
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 Posted 03/22/2017  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list
That Draped Bust is missing one major design element...the word COPY!
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03/22/2017 6:37 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2017  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
It appears that no one cares to report this item ... I just did.
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 Posted 03/22/2017  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list

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It appears that no one cares to report this item


I don't know if "care" is the right word. Some of us just don't know how.
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 Posted 03/22/2017  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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I don't know if "care" is the right word. Some of us just don't know how.


The reporting of bogus items on ebay takess all of 20 seconds or so. Hit the REPORT ITEM "button", click on the appropriate three categories and report it. I cared enough to learn and hope that others may follow suit. The process has been described adequately in other threads, and it's fairly simple; this, if one cares to learn.

I don't mean to sound upset or accusatory here. It's just that so many of our members seem to spend a good dealof time making observations, submitting comments, etc. That's all well and good, and I enjoy those facets, myself. Reporting the bogus items on ebay takes no greater time than a typical CCF reply does.

I salute Bobby and a few other CCF members who devote so much time and effort to foil and take down the crooks. Just imagine how much safer ebay might be if more CCF members took action ...
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 Posted 03/22/2017  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Education is the key to collector success!

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 Posted 03/23/2017  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list
I guess I can just agree to disagree then. Although I do see your perspective, my wish is you can see mine too. For example, my uncle is dying of cancer. Because I haven't learned of a cure for cancer, it doesn't mean I don't care for my uncle. Like I said, I just thought it was the incorrect word is all.
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 Posted 03/23/2017  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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The reporting of bogus items on ebay takess all of 20 seconds or so. Hit the REPORT ITEM "button", click on the appropriate three categories and report it. I cared enough to learn and hope that others may follow suit. The process has been described adequately in other threads, and it's fairly simple; this, if one cares to learn.

I don't mean to sound upset or accusatory here. It's just that so many of our members seem to spend a good dealof time making observations, submitting comments, etc. That's all well and good, and I enjoy those facets, myself. Reporting the bogus items on ebay takes no greater time than a typical CCF.


When I first joined this forum I posted a link to an ebay listing that I suspected was counterfeit in the 'report ebay counterfeits' section. My post was removed and I received a warning email that instructed me to review the rules of the forum.

I would have posted it in that forum so that Bobby would see it but I wasn't 100% certain it was fake based on the seller's crappy photos.

It's my understanding that folks who encounter counterfeits should post here and wait for nss-52 or Bobby to weigh in.

The ebay section of this forum seems tricky. So I leave it up to the guys that specialize in spotting out counterfeits.





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 Posted 03/23/2017  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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It's my understanding that folks who encounter counterfeits should post here and wait for nss-52 or Bobby to weigh in.


As much as I enjoy and appreciate the CCF, I don't lay all my hobby concerns on this doorstep. I've reported a great many bogus ebay items, fraudulent and highly suspect listings over the years. Some of these, ebay has taken down, some not. From my humble perspective, it seems to be a hit-and-miss effort.

I'm surely not infallible, but by reporting suspicious listings, I at least have the satisfaction, if you will, of having tried. It pains me to think of other collectors being victimized and discouraged. If my modest efforts can, in any way, help level the playing field, the marketplace, it's worth the effort.

I applaud the efforts of and batting averages of Bobby, NSS-52 and others in the CCF. I just don't think that the reporting of ebay items requires anyone's approval, so to speak. That said, I have brought some dangerous listings, requiring closer scrutiny, to their attention at times. Their support and encouragement is most surely appreciated ...

@Nickel Guy ... I see your your point, and it's nice to care. Caring can be passive, I agree, but it can also take active forms.
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03/23/2017 07:04 am
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 Posted 03/23/2017  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list
Gone!
This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken.


with Exoguy! if more of us report a fake,chances of removing it by ebay will be better!I reported it too!

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 Posted 03/23/2017  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Good news .... Way to go, Chase007!
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 Posted 03/23/2017  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list
ExoGuy...

Like I said earlier, I see your viewpoint. So, when I woke up this morning, the first thing I did was go to E bay and learn how to report an item. It took about ten minutes to figure out what I was doing. It probably wouldn't have taken so long, but in 40 years of collecting now, I don't use E bay that often. However, once I found the "Report Item" in the bottom right of a listing, it was pretty self explanatory from there.
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 Posted 03/23/2017  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
This is a hunk of junk. It's the rare 1796 Bust off-center variety, which was only made in 1795.

A guy showed up at local coin club meeting one night with one of these things. He had paid $200 for it on the Internet. He got angry at me for telling him it was not real. I guess people on the Internet sell for $5,000 coins for $200 all the time. I wish I'd known.
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 Posted 03/23/2017  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
@ NickelGuy ...

@ Bill Jones ... Been there, myself. I think it's called "wanting to kill the messenger." A few months ago, I told a friend he'd bought a counterfeit S-VDB. I even took it to a show and got my opinion confirmed. He then proceeded to submit it to a TPG, paid the freight and got shot down, again. Hope he believes me next time and saves the fees.

Also, this so-called "1796" was an easy one to report.
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 Posted 03/23/2017  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list

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I guess people on the Internet sell for $5,000 coins for $200 all the time. I wish I'd known.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
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