Look for episode #25 also relevant is #7 with my friend Jack Young of the "Darkside counterfeit" hunter extraordinaire. I have also posted some other videos of Beth in the recent past about her roll in the ACEF here at CCF.
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Why on Earth would you buy a coin on the 'Dark Web', if you already know that it is a clandestine place to go?
Also a place for child pornography, so the Police are patrolling this place far more often. Greater possibility of the Coppers nabbing illegal selling of any sort. Therefore, Don't be a buyer. You could get caught, either way, by the scammers or the Coppers.
It seems to me that this is where there exists a far more risky place to buy fake coins, and a far more likely place to get yourself 'dudded'.
Quote: Why on Earth would you buy a coin on the 'Dark Web', if you already know that it is a clandestine place to go?
Also a place for child pornography, so the Police are patrolling this place far more often. Greater possibility of the Coppers nabbing illegal selling of any sort. Therefore, Don't be a buyer. You could get caught, either way, by the scammers or the Coppers.
It seems to me that this is where there exists a far more risky place to buy fake coins, and a far more likely place to get yourself 'dudded'.
I think you're missing the point.
You can buy very realistic fakes from China on the Dark Web and sell them as genuine. These are fakes that are passing the test at pawn, coin, and ebay shops.
It's an informational post to show where these fakes are coming from and how realistic they are, not promoting the Dark Web as a source to buy coins.
darn scary. I have a Capped Bust half dollar Lettered Edge that was in a PCGS holder purchased on ebay. Number checked out. I freed it from it's holder for my 7070 Type Set. No expert here on coins of that type. But something has always bothered me about it. When I get the gumption up I'll post it for you all to share your opinions.
Quote: I have a Capped Bust half dollar Lettered Edge that was in a PCGS holder purchased on ebay. Number checked out. I freed it from it's holder for my 7070 Type Set. No expert here on coins of that type. But something has always bothered me about it. When I get the gumption up I'll post it for you all to share your opinions
As far as Pamp products are concerned, they have a free smartphone app for iPhone that automatically detects the genuine ones (https://www.pamp.com/veriscan).
1. Weight 2. diameter 3. density 4. ping tone test 5. close in hand visual examination in the 'raw'. 6. test with a magnet 7. close in hand visual inspection with a 10X loupe, under ideal lighting conditions, also looking for alteration of genuine coins. 8. check data bases for known fakes 9. XRF test 10. ultrasound test, checking for core material. 11. independently provable provenance.
Can't do any of these things if in a suspect fake slab, unless the slab is broken. If you don't suspect that the slab is fake, but later proven to be fake, then your are sunk. One of the a few reasons why I am not personally keen on buying slabbed coins.
On the other hand, a good TPGrader worth their salt can provide a reasonably dependable authentication service, but to be 100% sure, that is for the TPG customer only. That is because they can do the tests mentioned above on the coin, in the 'raw'.
I have purchased around 30 American Silver Eagles from ebay since January 2021 as a novice and with careful examination (just observations) found that 9 had the slabs tampered with and didn't have accurate NGC or PCGS labels and 1 PCGS was in an aftermarket slab with now obvious to me fake information. The crazy part is that all the number were accurate numbers when entered into the verification checkers. I am happy to share ebay names of the sellers and photos if appropriate and valuable.
Quote: The crazy part is that all the number were accurate numbers when entered into the verification checkers
The makers of the fake slabs have been using real numbers that will verify practically since they started back in 2007. Just verifying the number won't really tell you much of anything. That was why it was a BIG step forward when NGC started photographing every coin they slabbed and posting the images on the verification page as well. In many cases you can expand the images enough to find matching marks on the coin in hand with the coin in the image.
Unfortunately the other top three TPG's only have a small fraction of the images as compared to NGC. NGC still has the problem that the first 20 years or so of the coins they slabbed don't have images either.
Great video BigAppleBucky! Doug Davis is a great guy, and he's in my area too (Arlington, Texas), he provides such a valuable service to our hobby.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector.
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