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1979 Canadian Cent With No Beads?

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 Posted 04/04/2017  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
No funny thing I never ever thought to weigh it before just weighed it now its 2.7gm
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 Posted 04/04/2017  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dennman to your friends list
The 1979 pennies weigh 3.24 Grams. and have a diameter of 19.05 mm.

The lighter weight of yours would account for the lack of beads.
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 Posted 04/04/2017  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list
wrong or small planchet perhaps? very interesting
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 Posted 04/05/2017  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list
yes very interesting to know
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 Posted 04/05/2017  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
I did a little looking around on the internet of what other coins Canada minted in 1979 one that kind of fit this coins discription was a 1979 New Zealand cent that weighed 2.05g I wonder maybe a foreign planchat?
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 Posted 04/05/2017  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Nice work papeldog...so this cent is definitely "a keeper"..
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 Posted 04/05/2017  11:31 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
The tolerances for weight is quite large... it could be struck on a Barbados bronze 1 cent planchet.

Or, it just could be a planchet struck on a strip that was rolled too thin, or near the end of a bronze strip whereby the thickness tapered out. For some reason, thin planchets are relatively abundant from 1979-1981...
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 Posted 04/05/2017  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
So what would be the best way to find out about if it is a wrong planchet apposed to a thin or tapered planchet Should I send it in to get graded (PCGS) as it is a nice high mint state coin regardless what kind of error coin it is.
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 Posted 04/05/2017  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list
not to mention struck through some grease?. to get the composition cheked you need to have it XRF'd just msg spp, he always loves a chance to use his toys.
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 Posted 04/05/2017  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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...should I send it in to get graded (PCGS) as it is a nice high mint state coin regardless what kind of error coin it is.


As SPP has said in the past...PCGS charges a lot more for "Error" coins..and shipping and ins..+ +..etc..

So my vote would be a "no" and maybe wiser to get it properly graded locally..



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 Posted 04/05/2017  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
If it was my coin, yes I would send it to PCGS. But then again, I have a bias for really nice high grade 1c errors.

The trick is - try to determine what it is before you send it - or it will just come back as "struck on a foreign 2.7 gram planchet"... or "struck on 2.7 thin planchet"

What is the diameter of the coin? What does the edge look like - rounded (weak to no collar) or square (full collar), etc...
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Admitting that I don't know a whole lot about this type of error coin other than I know its not normal to the eye. But under the supervision of others especially SPP I am learning I think. The coin is the same size as a regular 1979 cent if any thing it might be a little smaller hard to tell, it seems to be about 1/2 cm regular coin 1 1/2 cm so a lot thinner, it has a bit of a slightly raised rim higher in some area's than other areas where it seems to fade away looking at it on edge looks flat but very thin.
So I'm leaning toward a thin planchet error coin high grade MS-65-66 at least.
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 Posted 04/06/2017  10:45 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Digital micrometer callipers are cheap, and essential (along with a good digital scale and magnet) for anyone diving into errors...

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/150mm-6-Digi...321789819006
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 Posted 04/06/2017  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
CT has digital micrometer callipers often on special at $9.95...just watch for the specials...

Any post office should be able and willing to tell you the weight..(metal plate..so place a slip of paper under it)
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 Posted 04/06/2017  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
Thanks for the link SPP I ordered one never thought of getting one of these makes sense I have every thing else listed but really need more knowledge.

I don't think it would be Barbados planchet SPP they weigh over 3.+g.
But the New Zealand planchet might fit this coin they weigh 2.+g I searched for more info and found 3 other 1979 Canadian pennies graded by NGC on New Zealand planchet with weights of 2.+g and they look very similar but showing more beads than this one.

So now I'm back to being undecided thin planchet or wrong planchet so I'll wait until the new digital micrometer arrives I'll take better measurements for thickness and diameter.
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