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I just finished going through my 1859's I don't have one of these either I checked on the Haxby site for the 5 but I can't seem to find it either
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I'll look at mine. I have 10-15 DP'd 5's, but I have no idea about what Haxby #'s that they will be.
BTW, I wouldn't be too hasty to call this a new Rev ... CV's example looks like a partially filled die with the vertical part of the 5, making it look thicker and straighter. The other is a much sharper, better defined 5/5 but, if you blurr out the clearly evident 2 strikes, they aren't that much different ... especially when you have the D/C at 14. I'm just amazed that CV's graded 63 with the marks and cleaned-up old minor corrosion.... the digits appear to be much more worn that MG's example.
The problem with examining overpunches is that you can never tell which was the first and which was the 2nd blow/punch. The D/C at 14 really mystifies me by comparing the 2 of them.
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04/07/2017 10:33 am
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CV-J16d-Coin02  |
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CV-J16d-Coin03:  |
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CV-J16d-Coin01 seems to be the earliest die state (no die crack at base of leaf 9).
CV-J16d-Coin03 seems to be the next stage with a faint semicircular die crack around base of leaf 9 (the 5/5 is similar to Coin01).
CV-J16d-Coin02 seems to be a later die state with a distinct semicircular die crack around base of leaf 9 but the 5 looks different.
Is it at all POSSIBLE that the 5 was repunched a second time at a later die state of the J16d and that's why the 5s look different between the "earlier states" and "later states"?
Viper's coin is the next stage after CV-J16d-Coin02.
Phil's coin is a much later stage.
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04/07/2017 6:05 pm
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Thanks for the Photos CV! They will be very helpful. Looks like the die crack at leaf 9 was the first to appear.
Your last two are definitely J16d. I still think the first one is a new die.
Take a close look at the stem to leaf 9. It has a bend downward just before it enters the leaf on the J16d. On the first coin you posted the stem has a more steady curve as it enters the leaf.
All of the obverse 77's paired with J16d are from a state with a heavier crack at the top of the R of REGINA. The Obverse 77 paired with your first coin has just the slightest trace of that die crack indicating it was probably paired with 77 earlier than J16d with one or two other reverses between it and the J16d.
Also If the die crack at leaf 9 was the first to appear on J16d, your first coin has a crack at 14 and what appears to be a very fine crack at 12, but no crack at 9.
Can you give us a closeup picture of the 9 on your first coin? It looks like it may have a slight repunch at the top right.
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04/07/2017 6:48 pm
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Phil310...I think you're right. Here are close-ups of the 59 with the mildly repunched 9.  |
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Close-up of Leaf 9  |
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Close-up of Die crack at leaf 12  |
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Close-up of Die Crack at leaf 14  |
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Great photos CV! That repunch at the top of the 9 and the die cracks clinches it for me. It's a new reverse!
We were blessed to have two high grade coins to compare and two owners who know how to take good pictures. Good work CV and MG.
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04/07/2017 8:15 pm
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Great photos CV! That repunch at the top of the 9 and the die cracks clinches it for me. It's a new reverse!
We were blessed to have two high grade coins to compare and two owners who know how to take good pictures. Good work CV and MG.  I totally agree with you phil310  Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Excellent job, Phil310...you've made a fantastic discovery! I can't wait for this one to be added to the Haxby catalog with a new reverse number |
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Thanks CV, but I think this was a "CCF 59ers team" effort. Thanks everyone for all the input.
I was looking at the obverse die crack at the R of REGINA earlier today, and I believe your reverse may have been the first one paired with obverse 57. I've told Jim about your coin and I'm sure he will be checking it out soon and come up with a number for it.
I'm still working on die states for the J16d. Does anyone have any more between CV's crack at leaf 9 only, and MG's with cracks at 1,9,11,14,15. I expect there should be something in between those.
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 Great detective work by the 59ner group finding a possible new Reverse congrats your all  |
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