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BCG, need to turn on email feature in your profile. Take it off your post quick!
The advertising bots will get ya! They circle this site continually looking for that kind of info. Use the PM feature to contact one another at first!
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04/11/2017 12:28 am
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CBO, the PCGS one was my coin. I always do the secure grade with pics. There is a small rim Cud just southwest of the last a in America, almost across from the next star south, |
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BCG, I just took a look at your PCGS cert. If it's for the same coin you posted earlier with the Cherrypicker's guide images, I don't see it. In the CPG 1883/2 overdate, the 2 was distinct to the left of the 3. On your coin, I see a little chatter to the left of it, but it didn't match up with the CPG images.
[edit] Also, why go high price with PCGS on "maybe" coins? ANACS is cheaper and will list more varieties than the big two TPGs. Even if you want the coin to end up in a PCGS holder, ANACS as a test run, then cross submitting to PCGS would be cheaper. When I last took a look at ANACS variety cost, I believe it was $9 a coin.
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04/11/2017 12:33 am
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Druu, no this was a different one. I think this one is an FS-305, ans so far Crazyb0 agrees with me.
Also, are you saying that PCGS only recognizes 2 die varieties ion these? On their website, it says they recognize all varieties listed in CPG, with exceptions listed. If what you're saying is true, their $18 attribution fee is a colossal ripoff, and I got royally screwed!
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Couple things to cover: In a post above, Crazyb0 describes the PCGS photo of the coin in question as: ----------------------- rotated hub doubling showing extensively in the motto, IN GOD WE TRUST, all letters affected rotated CCW(2x on right) ----------------------- This coin is not rotated hub doubling or any other sort of DDO. What you see on the motto is called Longacre doubling. It is very common on 1883 and 1882 Shield nickels. ------------------------------------------------------------------- In response to the OP, you are wasting a ton of money sending these coins to PCGS for variety attribution. You should only send coins to PCGS for variety attribution if you're already sure you have the variety. PCGS will sometimes get it wrong even then. There are resources available to you to find out whether your coin is a variety or not for free. For example, post here. |
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A further answer to the OP about whether there is a scale used for determining varieties: Shield nickel variety attribution is difficult because there are many similar varieties. In order to correctly attribute a Shield nickel, one must examine far more than just the supposed variety area. A short list: Position of the date has to match exactly. For obverse 1, the shape of the engraved leaf has to match exactly. Other die features, like cracks and die lines are frequently necessary to confirm an attribution. The other side of the coin should also be examined for die markers, although this is not absolutely dispositive since mix-and-match obverse/reverse die pairings exist. Finally, if all you have to go on is the photos in CPG then you don't have enough information to correctly attribute Shield nickels. But apparently, this is what PCGS tries to do, so it is not infrequent to find a Shield nickel attributed to the closest thing CPG has to offer. CPG lists perhaps 20% of the known Shield nickel varieties, and there are plenty of uncatalogued ones left too. |
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ItchyN: thanks for that info on Longacre type. I'm just now getting into the varieties of older coins other than Lincoln Wheat cents! Looonnnggg way to go. Just offering the abilities I have of comparison, eyesite and photographic manipulation which has helped me so far. That said, can you point me to a specfic pix resource other than PCGS listings? Same for you BCG. Getting more & more interested in this series, is one that seems affordable on my limited(fixed) income. Other coin series are just a bit out of reach at the moment. Have a few Shields meself I need to photo-document and scope out. Bikercoinguy: Itchy does make a good point , but I'm assuming you have done a lot of the homework before sending in, hence the frustration. Yea, just maybe TPG's get it wrong (why all the re-submits?). But on the other hand, maybe there's not enough other known markers on a submitted coin, that's the point I think your at...trying to determine that, correct? Also, turn on the email(PM) feature, mods removed that info from post, bots search this site for just that info, want more popups? 
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04/11/2017 12:15 pm
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I'm not sure what PCGS will attribute with respect to Shield nickels because I have no personal experience with that series. The next Shield nickel I buy would be my first. My understanding is that the three main TPGs, ANACS will attribute more varieties than the big two. I think I've read somewhere that PCGS and NGC will only attribute varieties that are listed in CPG with FS numbers. If it's something like a WDDO or a listing on Copper Coins, my understanding is that ANACS will attribute those, while the big two will wait for it to be listed in CPG. |
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PCGS will only attribute Shield nickel varieties that appear in CPG. NGC has its own attribution numbers, and they are willing to create new numbers for a variety that is new to them regardless of whether it's in CPG or not. Sources of pix of Shield nickel varieties: 1) http://www.shieldnickels.net Free, but not comprehensive 2) SNV attribution guide Comprehensive but not free 3) Fletcher's Shield nickel book Comprehensive for its time, now a bit behind. OOP and difficult to obtain. 4) Dave Bower's Shield and Liberty nickel book: Reasonably priced, not comprehensive |
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ANACS will attribute to Fletcher numbers in addition to CPG.
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Some pix on the NGC site as well, and on CoinFacts, but not close to comprehensi9ve.
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Thanks guys! It's really great to get that kind of input feedback. The more I'm on here the more I like it. For some reason, snobs and know-it-alls seem drawn to our hobby in large numbers, but I haven't seen much of that here. Itchy, thanks for the tips, and Crazyb0, I agree with itchy that shieldnickels.net is a good resource for die varieties. Howard Spindell(of shieldnickels.net)also has a software program on that site called Shield nickel Viewer. It's free, and is supposed to give you 3D views from every angle on every die variety in CPG. I can't say one way or the other on that though. I downloaded it, but it's in some format I'm not familiar with, and I can't get to first base with it. Also, I too use photo enhancement to look for die markers, etc, and it's a very useful tool. It's also a double-edged sword, and adjusting the brightness and contrast can make shadows look just like metal. I burned myself enough times that way, that the only thing I will adjust now is the light; the setting that makes it look like you put a brighter bulb in the lamp. |
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Itchy, I looked online without success for the "comprehensive but not free" SNV attribution guide. I searched using both "SNV" and " Shield nickel variety" but got a goose egg both ways. Do you happen to know the author or publisher or some other way to find it? Thanks! |
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If you plug "snv Shield nickel" (without the quotes) into Google, it's the first link you'll get returned. |
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BTW, Shield nickel viewer is not free. Only the trial version is free. What you downloaded is the trial version, and it is a program that installs the trial version on Windows. |
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