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Seated Dollar For Grading

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 Posted 05/11/2017  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
AU-50 + sharpness and okay. It's better than okay if there is any luster under that toning. It does not appear to be hairlined which would indicate cleaning. A great many of these coins are darkly toned. It comes with the territory.
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 Posted 05/12/2017  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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A great many of these coins are darkly toned. It comes with the territory.


I agree Bill. These don't tone like other dollars. I think many are used to collecting Morgans or are used to seeing dipped/cleaned slds.

The one thing I disagree with you on is that luster affects the grade in AU. From what I have seen, luster has no impact on the net grade for this series in the eyes of the tpgs. The sharpness of the devices is what determines the grade. At least according to the many, many coins I've looked at graded by the big three.
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 Posted 05/12/2017  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list

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The one thing I disagree with you on is that luster affects the grade in AU.


Luster is an essential factor in the AU grade. These coins were not minted "flat" with no lustor or flow lines. They are like every other die struck, non Matte Proof coin. They were there when the coin was struck.

An AU coin has to have at least some of its mint surface remainng. If it dosen't, it's not an AU.
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 Posted 06/09/2017  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
This coin brought a very solid price of $2937.50 in the most recent Heritage auction. While the prices for
nice original LSD in the AU grades have receded a bit IMO, Civil War dates always seem to be popular
and in demand.
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 Posted 06/09/2017  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
I was the under bidder. Whoever I was bidding against set a high limit order. The bids against me were automated. Seems to be the case lately with heritage signature auctions. Theirs always some crazy who's willing to pay any price on the choice coins I go after.
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 Posted 06/10/2017  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
Actually the winning bidder was following the auction and bidding live via Heritage/Live. Mike, you are no more
crazier than he is when you outbid someone for a coin.
Sometimes when you are the under bidder it is not a bad thing.
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 Posted 06/10/2017  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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Actually the winning bidder was following the auction and bidding live via Heritage/Live.


I couldn't watch live. My bid was for $2,203 (before BP) 3 hours before the auction.

Did someone cut bid during auction?
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 Posted 06/17/2017  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
I've got one just as nice I'll sell to you for $1500.
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 Posted 06/17/2017  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
PM sent.
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 Posted 06/19/2017  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Bump... Atlashealth, did you get my private message?
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 Posted 06/21/2017  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Bump.. Hello? Come in Atlashealth.
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 Posted 12/07/2017  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Well this one ended up on Dick Osburn's site being pumped as a 55+ for $750 more than it sold for at auction. This coin just can't seem to find a permanent home. http://www.dickosburn.com/product.p...at=34&page=4
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 Posted 12/07/2017  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Thank you for bumping this topic, Mike. I do enjoy looking at your Seated dollars.
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 Posted 12/07/2017  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
I believe Dick Osburn is referring to the "technical detail" of the coin as being 55+ and
not the overall grade of the coin.
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 Posted 12/07/2017  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Yeah you are correct. What I wonder is if Dick purchased this coin from the auction. It ties into my question on another thread of what % of Heritage bidders are dealers. We have already determined that this coin had been cracked out and came back with the same grade for the Heritage Auction. I wonder if it has the same serial number or if another failed crackout attempt occurred. I'll send an email an Dick. Wonder how many dealers are engaged in this practice. You have to admit the $750 price increase raised an eyebrow or two.
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