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Need Help To Authenticate 1804 Silver Dollar

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 Posted 04/27/2008  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverdollardude to your friends list
check out the edge of the coin, looks like mold marks to me
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 Posted 04/27/2008  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Hmm...is that break in the nose bridge a marker? Other details are dropped out too.
Here's some interesting reading and photos to compare.
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 Posted 04/27/2008  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list
I hate to say it but it looks like a fake to me. I'll list a few details that I noticed below.

As silverdollardude said, the lip on the edge of the coin by the left stars and LIBERTY looks like a mold mark.

The typeset in the Liberty and the date, are not the same as the real coin.

The bridge of the nose is different.

The left shoulder on your coin does not end at the neck as it does in the real coin.

The stars on the obverse are misshaped and not of equal size.

The stars on the reverse, on either side of the eagles head, are in the wrong locations. On both the first and second reverses of the real coins, those stars' bottom points touch the "E PLURIBUS UNUM" banner, whereas the stars on your coin are far away from it.

The shape of the eagles head is wrong.

There are many things that don't add up. I wish it were a real coin, but it looks to me as if it is not. Being such a rare coin makes it a top pick for counterfeiters in olden times and today. Sorry for the let down. I am not an expert, but I was able to pick up on these things pretty quickly. I would suggest camparing every detail with a picture of a real one, I'm sure you will also see many differences. Unfortunately this has been the answer too many times lately. I'm just glad you didn't pay for this coin.
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 Posted 04/27/2008  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
The chances of that being real is just about zero.
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 Posted 04/27/2008  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CASH4U5000 to your friends list
Thank you very much for all the input guys,I do see some flaws now that you pointed them out. I did'nt even notice them.
You have an excellent forum here and I will continue to be a member. Very interesting.
Thanks again.
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 Posted 04/28/2008  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
Yes, I'm afraid the only thing missing from that coin is the "Made in China" mark. Sorry, but welcome to the forum.
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 Posted 04/28/2008  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list
It must be hard to finally know that it's a counterfeit, but at least you can keep it in memory. Welcome to the board.
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 Posted 04/28/2008  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeremymh to your friends list
Yes, Welcome!
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 Posted 04/29/2008  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
The very first thing you can point at is that it has a reeded edge. Oops, silver dollars didn't have reeded edges until 1840. The date style is wrong, the lettering font on both sides is wrong. There are many other style and engraving problems.

One thing I was very happy to see though was that even though the chances of the coin being real were very slight, the possibility was not dismissed out of hand. That would be the case in many forums. I've seen a lot of cases where someone will say that they have an 1804 dollar and is immediately told that "It isn't possible. There are only 15 or them and they know where all of them are so yours can't be real." In 1961 they would have said 14, and then the King of Siam set was rediscovered in 1962. There were contemporary reports back in the late 1850's early 1860's that at least one of the plain edged dollars was sent to Europe before the mint rounded them up and was not recovered. If those reports are true then there may still be another plain edged 1804 out there somewhere which may resurface some day.
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 Posted 04/29/2008  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
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If those reports are true then there may still be another plain edged 1804 out there somewhere which may resurface some day.

That is exactly why I wanted to see pictures of the coin in question, even though it is highly unlikely it is still a possibility that it could be the missing coin just found in a old safety deposit box or from someones grandfathers collection they are looking through
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 Posted 04/30/2008  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CASH4U5000 to your friends list
I was just wondering,is the coin worth anything,or should we just use it as fishing weight?
Thanks,
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 Posted 04/30/2008  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kceb10 to your friends list
the coin would make a good conversation piece, maybe a paperweight. You could sell it on ebay but they only sell for a few dollars
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 Posted 04/30/2008  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list
Some counterfeits used real silver, so even though it is not an authentic coin it may be worth spot value on the metal.
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 Posted 05/01/2008  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list
Overheard: "If you have to ask, the answer is no"
:)
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 Posted 05/01/2008  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list
I use counterfeit coins for poker markers.
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