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What's Your Take On This 1887 Sovereign?

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 Posted 04/27/2008  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
1964S--right, because one calls attention to the ebay auction. I tend to do that if I suspect an expensive coin.

Update: Elsewhere Learjet has confirmed this looks legit. I suppose I've become terminally suspicious of ebay
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04/27/2008 7:27 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2008  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day, I forgot to mention earlier,
I'd be giving this, and any other coin that I was going to spend big bucks on, a visit with my calipers and my scales.
21.5mm, 7.98g, if memory serves ...
Renniks 2007 has a CV for this in EF at Oz$6,250.00
Peter
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 Posted 04/28/2008  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
yeh the eyes look a tiny bit different, just the shape
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 Posted 04/28/2008  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
It's just the lighting spedward. Scanners tend to make coins look like a negative.

I like the shield series. They remain 95% attractive in EF grade and are a fraction the price of UNCs. Except for the rare dates that is.

Often EF shields will have UNC reverses. How this happens I don't know!

There are varieties being discovered all the time with this series also.
Twenty six coins (not including errors and overdates) are presently listed for the Australian series, although I believe this will grow with the discovery of two different head types for 1881 and 1882.

I find great pleasure in collecting this series. It will take me years to get the majority of them. Maybe never. Some dates are just too expensive. Should be able to get all the Sydney mint ones. The Melbourne mint are the toughest.

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 Posted 04/28/2008  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justabeginner to your friends list
Wow, after looking at these pictures, I needa get one... Unfortunately, I can't trade for one..
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 Posted 04/29/2008  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
darn.
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 Posted 05/20/2008  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Those are great photos!
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 Posted 05/20/2008  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
I saw 2 at our local coin dealer, the one with the horse reverse, not that one.

Selling for $275 or something.
Might save up and buy one in the future

There was also a gold soverieign necklace?
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 Posted 05/20/2008  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
Sovereigns and guineas were often made into jewelry. You can find pendants, rings, broaches. All sorts of things.

Of course there are the slightly smaller half sovereign too. These are about the size of a 5¢ piece but made of 22kt gold. Some of the more common dates can be bought for not much more than bullion spot plus a few %, like this 1915 Sydney mint half sov.

There are about 64 different Australian half sovs, not including varieties or UK London mint types.

They always seem to remain an attractive coin.

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 Posted 05/20/2008  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day LearJet,
I commend your photography.
It's very rare that I see a photo' of a sov' where the mintmark is so clear ... and the "S" is the most difficult of all.
Compare your 1915 sov to my avatar, which is from 1820. Apart from the garter, do you notice anything different ?
I read that during the First Gulf War, the U.S. Air Force issued each pilot five KGV sovs, in case of forced landing. Apparently, the locals in that part of the world remain fond of sovs, and the KGV variety above all others. The coins came with a printed note to the effect: "assist this pilot to rejoin his comrades, and there'll be plenty more of these coins for you as a sign of our our appreciation."
Comforting to know that gold still commands some respect.
Peter in Oz
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 Posted 05/20/2008  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
On the 1820 St George appears to be holding a stick or something half way along?

Yes I heard the same regarding airforce pilots and sovs.
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 Posted 05/20/2008  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day,
in the "Garter Sovereigns" 1817~1820, StG is holding the stump of his broken lance. Another piece is lying on the ground, under the horse's rear-end. A third piece protrudes from the dragon's thorax.
In the later sovs, and your 1915 pic illustrates this perfectly, StG has a shortish sword. Two pieces of lance are visible.
Curiously - to my way of thinking - the Garter Crowns 1818~1820, all have the sword - as far as I can tell, the same as the later sovs.

I've not heard an explanation for this variation. Nor of what became of the missing part of the lance.

I've filed this under "imponderables", but your picture reminded me of it, because you show the lance protruding from the dragon so clearly.

thanks again ... before I forget: which camera did you use, please ?

Peter in Darwin
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 Posted 05/20/2008  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
Just the other day I was wondering why the sword was short, between the length of a full sword and dagger. I was thinking maybe St George had already plunged a shorty into the dragon, but I see now that there is no handle stuck in the dragon so it's a piece broken off. Poor dragon Lol.

Same old camera Peter, Fuji S5600. Colour is a bit different is all. A bit more yellow.

I see fuji now have an S5800 in their new range. In the $200 mark also. I'm tempted as it offers full zoom in movie mode. Hope they have retained all the manual features of former models.
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 Posted 05/27/2008  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric to your friends list
Why don't you ask the seller if you would buy the coin contingent on PCGS grading it a certain grade? That usually susess out the dodgy sellers who know that their coins are cleaned or fake.

Going by the image, the shield sov looks ok to me, but then again, it's only an image.

Eric
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 Posted 05/27/2008  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
Good idea for a high priced coin selling in a high risk market place.
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