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Usually don't follow up on this sort of thing, but I'm riveted here.
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MS63. I see no signs of circulation but the nicks on the cheek and bust are enough to hold it back from a 64 or better. Fields are relatively clean, and the reverse is better than the obverse.
The dies have clashed once, very lightly, with a single mark on the right inner wreath and what looks like a faint counterclash at the cap V.
Luster on the obverse is somewhat washed out, but I won't speculate as to whether this is lighting or dipping.
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I think that there is too much chatter on the cheek for a 65...MS64 for me.
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This coin was one of eight raw coins that I sent to U.S. for auction. Auction house sent these coins for grading before listing them for auction. Six other coins were graded with grades that I predicted or even better. One coin that I thought was MS 63 PL came back MS 62. But for this coin I thought it would grade MS 64.  As smalldawg59 and SsuperDdave pointed out I now do see washed out luster and black spotting. Maybe I was too focused on looking contact marks and missed bigger picture. It has been over 2 months since I held this coin in hand. I do remember seeing full cartwheel luster. On a side note I always take pictures from my raw Morgan dollar purchases and post them here in grading section. For this coin I did not because I had hard time to get focused pictures with my phone (maybe because of washed out luster). Was PCGS right to give details grade that I do not know but I'm saving these photos for future reference when doing raw coin shopping. |
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Nice observations and call on the grade SsuperDdave!!
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 nice call Sdave IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Was PCGS right to give details grade that I do not know but I'm saving these photos for future reference when doing raw coin shopping.
Your images are, I think, a terrific illustration of what to look for in evaluating surface alteration. One point I didn't raise in the last post is the very early stage of toning the coin shows. This is a red flag because it really can't happen this way in a sulfur-intensive environment; it would become much darker much more quickly, progressing through the known stages of toning. Many of what we consider "market-acceptable" Morgans didn't tone in Mint bags, but in various albums and storage conditions over the years. But, not many of them in recent years. Either they had plenty of time to gradually absorb the chemical changes in their surfaces, or they stayed white and developed a colorless patina which would require stronger sulfur concentrations to overcome. This one toned very slightly, and rather recently. Moreover, it's not really progressing smoothly from the outside in, as an album would do. I can't envision that to be possible unless the surfaces had been stripped. It was that knowledge which started me down the road to theorizing how it came to be, not any immediate direct evidence of cleaning. |
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This certainly was learning experience for myself. In future I'll be more focused on luster (or lack of it) and unusual toning when buying raw coins and not just stare hairlines and contact marks.
I bought earlier (before I made this topic) two raw toned Morgans which should arrive early next week. I'll be sure to post pictures of those coins for grading.
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