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The strike has the appearance of a cast copy, it doesn't have any sharpness that is supposed for this grade. The type around the peripheral are mushy and again don't have thickness of a genuine coin. Also, the edge are filed away to hide the imperfection to make the appearance that it was in circulation.
I am 90% sure this is a cast counterfeit, if you can get a good picture of the edge and closer area of the mint mark, then we can further determine. Do you know the weight of the coin? Stick to magnet?
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 with fake. Placement of date and mint mark don't coincide with known dies. |
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He sent it in to a TPGS and it came back graded. He resent it to another place and it came back as a fake If it came back graded, what sense does it make sending it back out?  |
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If it came back graded, what sense does it make sending it back out? He was just to certain something was wrong with this one. He figured it may well be worth the cost. Now he is sorry he did that. There are just so many fakes out there on this coin and some are really fantastically good. Whoever is making them spends a lot of time and money trying to make them look authentic. |
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He figured it may well be worth the cost. Now he is sorry he did that. That's too bad. Oh well, at least he didn't sell a counterfeit. |
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The designer's initials--AW--look very clumsy.
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The images aren't perfectly clear, but the shape of the inside of the mint mark, and its' location, stand out to me. We should be able to see the decided triangular shape of the inside in these images, while the one shown here seems curved.
Further, of the four known MM locations, only one is this distant from the leaves. On this coin, I can't even see the third leaf hanging which ought to be the arbiter of MM location; is it even there? That leaf should be plainly visible down to the lowest-possible grade.
Either way, I expect the top of the mint mark when extended left to draw a line into the space between the two upper bars of the E, and this MM seems low for that.
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I have enjoyed reading the analysis.  This is one hole I need to fill and would like to know it will be filled with a proper example.  |
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Placement of date and mint mark don't coincide with known dies. I thought all Mint Marks were placed on those coins by hand. If this is true, how could there be a constant location and even a specific tilt to a Mint Mark? What has a die have to do with those Mint Mark locations. |
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Carl, Mintmarks were placed by hand on the working dies of which four seem known as used
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Carl, Mintmarks were placed by hand on the working dies of which four seem known as used And that is the word, known. Could be more. Just not great records of things back then. |
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Do you really doubt that they could keep accurate records in 1916? |
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I blew up the original pic, and the "D" mintmark appears to be lacking the telltale diamond within.  |
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Yep, inside of mm looks oval in lieu of diamond/triangle shaped. If I send out a coin and it comes back genuine, I'm stopping there. If I didn't trust the TPG I sent it to, then why send it at all.  Edited by edweather
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