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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was thinking about this myself recently. They could stick with the old copper mix and get rid of the zinc. From a numismatic perspective it would be great. But, as has been mentioned, from an economics standpoint it just doesn't compute. I doubt it would be widely utilized.
As long as we are using a dollar-based system that depends on a centime/centum in the mix, we will have one-cent coins unless someone is willing to take a loss here and there. A cent here and there adds up for businesses. Do they come out ahead or do their customers? Rounding everything to a nickel value is consequential. This has been discussed ad infinitum on this and other forums.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Pillar of the Community
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I like spending old coinage and if I ever get the chance to spend one I will. They are still legal coinage after all.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: I like spending old coinage and if I ever get the chance to spend one I will. I'd love to see the cashier's face in that case.  Here's a quote from Wikipedia: Quote: Lange notes, "it was evident by the end of the 1860s that its coinage was no longer necessary". According to Carothers, "the coinage of a 2 cent piece was unnecessary. While it was popular at first because of the great public demand for metallic small change, it was a superfluous denomination, and its circulation waned rapidly after the 5 cent nickel coin was introduced." I don't think the situation would be any different today. It's interesting to consider, though.
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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Rounding everything to a nickel is done in Canada and the Netherlands and the countries didn't implode. No, Lex Luthor is not going to write a computer program to steal all the rounding errors and take over the world.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe we should round everything to the nearest dollar and just get rid of coins altogether. My pockets would be a lot lighter... But, what would I collect? 
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Pillar of the Community
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It would be like: "Buy one sandwich at full price, get the next one of equal or lesser value for 2¢" - I could live with it!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just for kicks, I decided to calculate how much money is involved if we look at the total number of US consumers (approximately 250,000,000), times the number of cash transactions per year (276 per consumer), and if each of these transactions were rounded up by 1 cent. It comes to about $690,000,000. I want to be on the receiving end of that extra cent per purchase.
Now, if the producers are willing to eat that cent for each purchase, that would be the second best option. I don't see it happening.
My numbers are estimates from the US Census and the Federal Reserve. Your mileage may vary.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Moderator
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Quote: @jbuck - The 2 cent piece itself wouldn't add up to the exact change for the nickel or quarter, though. True, but rounding would solve that problem. Quote: Rounding everything to a nickel is done in Canada and the Netherlands and the countries didn't implode. No, Lex Luthor is not going to write a computer program to steal all the rounding errors and take over the world. This. 
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Quote: Just for kicks, I decided to calculate how much money is involved if we look at the total number of US consumers (approximately 250,000,000), times the number of cash transactions per year (276 per consumer), and if each of these transactions were rounded up by 1 cent. It comes to about $690,000,000. I want to be on the receiving end of that extra cent per purchase. Rounding goes to the nearest, not the highest.  Over time it evens out. Quote: Now, if the producers are willing to eat that cent for each purchase, that would be the second best option. I don't see it happening. But they will. It makes sense for public relations and they are still ahead because they do not have to pay that transaction fee they do for electronic payments. Once one does it, they will all do it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think we should actually have the 2 Cent, 3 Cent, 4 Cent and even bring back the 20 Cent coin. Also maintaining the 1 Cent, 5 Cent, 25 Cent and continue with the Half Dollar coins too. This would make it a real lot of fun watching people at fast food places trying to figure out how much to charge you for anything.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I think we should actually have the 2 Cent, 3 Cent, 4 Cent and even bring back the 20 Cent coin. Also maintaining the 1 Cent, 5 Cent, 25 Cent and continue with the Half Dollar coins too. This would make it a real lot of fun watching people at fast food places trying to figure out how much to charge you for anything. And make them all the same size and metal composition - It would shut the US economy down within hours!  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Rounding everything to a nickel is done in Canada and the Netherlands and the countries didn't implode. That would make too much "cents" (pun intended  ) I believe everything should be rounded up to the nearest 0.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If 2 cent pieces were IN circulation, or if they were to introduce 2 cent pieces into circulation? The two ideas are totally different.
If they were IN circulation, we probably would have grown up with them, patterns of use would be firmly established, and they would seem perfectly normal.
To introduce them would cause disruption at first until usage patterns could be established. It would take time, there would be resistance to their use (As a rule people tend to resist changing their ways) and unless there was a good demonstrable advantage to their use they would probably fail. The small size dollar is a good example of this. There is a demonstrable advantage to them, long term lower cost of production and use, but the continued issuance of the dollar note with it's advantage of lighter weight, convenience, short term cost saving, and familiarity negates the dollar coins advantages and the dollar coin fails. If both are produced the coins advantages do not outweigh the notes advantages. So as long as the note is produced the coin cannot succeed.
Edited by Conder101 10/15/2017 11:55 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Do away with the cent, nickel, and dime. Round up or down to the quarter. Eliminate the dollar bill. That would simplify it all and save tons of money for the govt.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: If 2 cent pieces were IN circulation, or if they were to introduce 2 cent pieces into circulation? The two ideas are totally different... Excellent commentary. 
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