| Author |
 Replies: 51 / Views: 10,215 |
|
|
|
|
Valued Member
Canada
395 Posts |
I still think it's undergraded but at least it's in the ballpark now.
|
|
Valued Member
Canada
324 Posts |
That is a MAJOR fail by ICCS! I used to love ICCS but over the past couple of years they have gotten extremely inconsistent. I recently resubmitted some previously graded ICCS (some blind and others not) and the results were shocking. There is a complete lack of consistency and its unacceptable. I have never liked the idea of a non-Canadian graded being the one who grades my Canadian coins but ICCS have left me with no other choice. I would be surpised if they exist in the next 5-10 years. Their technology hasnt changed ever, their flips dont actually protect the coin and would be easy to fake AND they are inconsistent. Pity.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 Canada
1461 Posts |
Ok...So the saga continues...I've decided to do some conservation work on this coin and send it back to ICCS...If you followed the thread, this coin has made 3 trips to graders....ICCS VF-30 Cleaned, NGC "body bag, altered surface", ICCS AU-50 Cleaned. Here are the pictures of the conserved coin. Do you want to take a guess now?   |
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
987 Posts |
EF-45 but I think it may still get a "cleaned" designation.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1622 Posts |
Who knows.
The way ICCS is grading these days, it probably came back labelled as a Specimen.
|
|
Moderator
 Canada
10460 Posts |
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
851 Posts |
This is a great example of why ICCS has received 0 dollars from me and never will.
I can't wait to see what the next grade will be. How long will we have to wait?
I have a real problem with TGP grades on coins that were poorly struck. The grading system fails them miserably. According to ICCS grading standards, coins produced 150 years ago did not all come out of the mint in MS states.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1461 Posts |
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
That's just nuts. The coin is way sharper than that.
|
|
Moderator
Canada
10460 Posts |
Just what exactly did your "conservation" entail?
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1461 Posts |
I've become to realize that results from ICCS seem to often vary by batch. All the coins I posted here recently were sent in a single batch. I've had stingy batches and forgiving batches, but they tend to be consistent to each other. I am not sure if Brian is still grading to give Scott some rest periodically or someone else comes in to help, or its just the luck of the draw. But my batch theory seems somewhat consistent.
SPP....With respect to "conservation" a combination of acetone, MS70 and a q-tip is what I used. The idea is to never do anything "dry". I thought I could do more to further remove the yellowish tint from the coin but at some point you run the risk of hair-lining the coin.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
I would have said EF-40 to 45, I think the latest grade is the closest ICCS has gotten to getting it right. The fact that they no longer note that it's been cleaned is interesting though, caveat emptor!
It makes me laugh when graders assign a split-split grade (like AU-58 for ICCS or AU-53 or VF-25 for PCGS) because the standard points on the Sheldon scale do not provide enough grade resolution...yet we commonly see grade swings of 10 points or more upon re-submission, as in this case.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
2495 Posts |
Quote:
It makes me laugh when graders assign a split-split grade (like AU-58 for ICCS or AU-53 or VF-25 for PCGS).......... Actually, assigning split grades or different grades when comparing ICCS to the US TPGs makes perfect sense. Company grading philosophies differ greatly and anyone who has had a lot of experience in this area would know this. It doesn't mean one TPG is wrong and the other one is right. They are both right because they have graded the coin according to their own standards. |
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
Quote:
Actually, assigning split grades or different grades when comparing ICCS to the US TPGs makes perfect sense. When any company is unable to reliably demonstrate those grades consistently, it's moot. A VF-25 or an AU-53 grade is, realistically, totally pointless. It creates a level of resolution that is unnecessary because even the best of the best TPG's - PCGS - cannot consistently assign those grades. |
|
Pillar of the Community
Canada
2495 Posts |
Quote:
It makes me laugh when graders assign a split-split grade (like AU-58 for ICCS or AU-53 or VF-25 for PCGS) because the standard points on the Sheldon scale do not provide enough grade resolution...yet we commonly see grade swings of 10 points or more upon re-submission, as in this case. I think I misinterpreted your comment in my previous post. I thought you were talking about how we give different grades of a coin when ICCS and PCGS grade the coin....ex "ICCS would grade it ef40 and PCGS would grade it au50' But now I see that you were talking about how grading companies give these 'in-between' numbers, like au53 or vf25 and I can say I'm in total agreement with you. It's silly to try to be this exact with grading. |
|
|
Replies: 51 / Views: 10,215 |
|
First Page
Previous Page
Posted 04/17/2018 3:29 pm
