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US Mint Opposes Steel Cent Bill

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 Posted 05/13/2008  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list
If the mint switched to a steel cent, then how long will it take before the cost of steel becomes too high?

Will there be a plastic cent in the future? The last time I looked, all metals have been rising in price. It would make more sense for the government to eliminate the cent, instead of finding alternative metals that will someday become more valuable than the penny itself.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
Steel is high if its made in the USA. I hope they tag that bill like the gold&silver coin it must be metal's that are mined and made the USA. I wont get but one small steel mill up and running but at least we will put some Americans back too work. I about 60-70% of our steel mills are shut down due cheap Japanese & Chinese steel made 1/2 price as US made steel. but we can not ship our steel to there country that wrong from the word go and you know that someone is getting a payoff by them!
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 Posted 05/14/2008  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list


I would also prefer if the Mint would use metals that were mined in the US. I know that silver, gold, and platinum must be mined in the US, but I wonder about the metals found in all circulating coinage.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list
It doesn't matter to me one way or another where the metals are mined. Gotta do what is cost effective. I don't want the government to spend more than they have to.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toniblab to your friends list
it will be more cost effective if they just use the penny and nickel in the mint sets and proof set.that way they make money.there are to many pennies and nickels out there .they made billions of the for a long time.(start saving the bu rolls!)if they do it this way.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list
I was thinking that too that cents should be minted just for mint sets. There are already billions if not trillions if cents in circulation so why keep minting them in the masses? Just use what we have now. I believe the supply is ample.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
Metals are energy hogs. Their production costs are ties to it and it does not make a difference whether it is steel, aluminum, gold or anything else. It is going to become impossible to make a coin and have it's production come even close to it's intrinsic value. That means guys like me will be hoarding it for metal value, waiting until you can melt it and that will create artificial demand and drive up production. History has already proven it, look at gold and silver.

Makes me wonder if the answer is an all paper monetary system. We are becoming a cashless society, anyway.

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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inacoffeebuzz to your friends list
I think they should switch to pennies made of carbon fiber - it's reasonably durable and could also help reduce CO2 emissions if it is made of carbon captured from power plant emissions.

This way the U.S. could also brag (even if incorrectly) to have the first "green" coinage . Saves oil (as opposed to plastic), saves metal, saves energy - our pennies will save the earth !

Feel free to put your Two Cents in on this one
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 Posted 05/14/2008  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
"""I was thinking that too that cents should be minted just for mint sets. There are already billions if not trillions if cents in circulation so why keep minting them in the masses? Just use what we have now. I believe the supply is ample.""""

There is an ample supply if people didn't just throw all the pennies in a jar.

If we produce 9,000,000,000 cents a year... that is only 30 per person. I will guess there are 250,000,000,000 cents in the system that haven't been lost or pulled from the system for good for whatever reason. That is only about 800 cents per person. There a lot of folks with more than 800 cents at home. Plus business need cents for change, and they don't count as a person at all.

If everyone put all the cent back into the system, then we would have more than enough. Good luck getting people to roll that huge jar they have sitting at home.

-SWUSC


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 Posted 05/14/2008  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I was thinking that too that cents should be minted just for mint sets.
Add me to that list. I think the cent should have gone NIFC years ago.

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There is an ample supply if people didn't just throw all the pennies in a jar.
How true, people are not using them and that is another good reason to stop making them. People will whine about it, but eventually get over it. Same goes for killing the paper dollar. Just do it already and move on.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list
You guys ideas on this thread make more sense than anything I've heard a politician say.
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 Posted 05/14/2008  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list


THe penny has become worthless...even a piece of bubble gum costs a dime now. I think the only reason it wasn't eliminated years go is because of the sales tax--8.25% in New York State, 6% in PA, etc. That can only be paid with use of the a one-cent coin in cash transactions. Without the cent, either the customer or the business would be forced to over/under pay their fair share of the tax. Wouldn't be right to either party..
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 Posted 05/14/2008  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
GFR... if that is the only reason....you could bring back the sales tax tokens :)... make the states pay for their own tax collection. Does it really matter if they round up or down? It might mean big money to the state due to numbers of tranactions, but to the actually consumer... they could lose 9 cent per transaction worse case. If you did 5 transaction a day every day and lost the max.. that is only $164.25 a year. doing a 0.01 to .04 round down and .05 to .09 round up for cash transactions would about even out for those using cash. Banking system could still use currency to the 1/100, so credit/debit cards could still go out to the cent. We are rounding now to the nearest 1/100.... why not round to the nearest 1/10.

They should kill the cent, nickel, and paper dollar. The major problem I see with going to 1/10 instead of 1/100 is the quarter. you have a 1/10, 1/4, and 1/2 (5/10) coin. You would almost need to go to a .1:.2:.5 system of coins. We made a mistake picking the 25 cent coin over the 20 cent coin years ago.

Look at it this way in forty years (3.6% inflation).... the dollar will be worth about a dime today. Then we can discuss doing away with all coins. Then eighty years from now.. the dollar will be worth about a cent today using the same 3.6% inflation.

I am 25. If I make it to 105, then I think I will be paying a couple of hundred or so for a loaf of bread.

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 Posted 05/14/2008  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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We are rounding now to the nearest 1/100.... why not round to the nearest 1/10

Nearest being closest, up or down.

In a previous thread, people complained that we would all be ripped off since everything would be rounded up to the nearest nickel (or dime, if the nickel is eliminated as per your example). Sales Tax often does not come out even (to the cent), so we already have rounding (up and down, to the nearest cent).

The rounding rules would not change, just the denomination we round to. I suspect that transactions will still be calculated to the cent; where electronic ones are tendered for the exact amount and the cash ones are rounded manually. It is possible that the POS systems will be reprogrammed to give two totals, one for electronic payment and the other for cash. Not a difficult task, IMHO; proabably less hassle than moving the start and stop dates for Daylight Saving Time!

I say we just stop minting cents now. Stores will round on their own and might even ask people to bring exact change next time. Maybe people will start tapping their change jars and banks will clear their vaults of unused boxes. The hoards will filter back into circulation or we will get used to not having cents in change. We might even be able to linger on a few years or decades until we actually "run out" of them. Maybe people will opt to increasingly use electronic methods of payment to keep from losing a few cents to rounding (even though they will gain as much as they lose over the course of time).
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 Posted 05/14/2008  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list
We wonder why people have jars of pennies sitting at home out of circulation. The is a perfect example of the problem in question; they're almost worthless. People don't want to take the time to count and roll a bunch of change that won't buy anything to speak of.
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