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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"some lessor known grading firms can be bribed to slab the coin with a higher grade than it should be" Unnecessary in this case, because this ebay seller also happens to "grade" the coins he sells. I did some research a while back--"Centsles" and NNC are one and the same (it's publicly accessible information). |
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Canada
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Max bid?In that holder, about $12. 
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United States
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$45 that is definitely not a 58. 1884S is the TPG scammer's dream date. its very common in circulated grades but very rare uncirculated because nearly all were placed in circulation while other dates sat in vaults for 100 years. putting a grade of MS on an AU or even AU on an EF is a hugh markup. high grade 84S dollars generally have prooflike luster. this one does not and there looks to be wear all across the eagles breast feathers and liberty's hair. |
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United States
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Quote:Unnecessary in this case, because this ebay seller also happens to "grade" the coins he sells. I did some research a while back--"Centsles" and NNC are one and the same (it's publicly accessible information). No kidding? That is good info to know and I will be sure to stay away from them. |
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
"it does appear that they are from Florida just like NNC" If you want proof, do a whois for https://www.nnccoingrading.com and correlate to Centsles' actual name and address. They're the same person. (This is all publicly accessible info). |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Interesting, their website ( http://www.centsles.com/about.asp indicates: We use National Numismatic Certification, LLC (NNC), as our primary certification service, and we believe they offer a high degree of expertise in the grading of any and all coins. If you wish to submit your coins to NNC to be graded and authenticated visit their website at https://www.nnccoingrading.com. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
Very sad....looks like someone let greed get in the way of being an honest coin dealer. It's too bad many people have fallen for their bs and more will do so too.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Coin Arrived today! Maybe you can tell more from my scans. PS It was from a live auction in Easton Montana.   Thanks |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Actually, that looks considerably nicer than the previous picture.
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Valued Member
United States
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Yeah, I'm hardly an expert but the wear isn't *too* bad.
I'd give it a solid AU.
I don't know how in the world anyone would call it XF.
I can't comment on cleaning but just basing my opinion on the wear of the breast/feathers and her hair, looks like AU to me.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It might be lightly cleaned, but not that bad really
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Valued Member
United States
381 Posts |
I think there is a problem with reflection because I can see the breast feathers with my eye. From what I can see from the top 2 grading companies this is at least a 55 if not a 58. Anyways I'm happy at the price (AU50's going for 230 to 350) and thinking of regrading it with one of the two.
Thanks for the input! Which one?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd agree with AU-50 or AU-53 details. There are a lot of small contact marks and it doesn't seem to have any luster. That might indicate it's been stripped of original surface which might cause it to be rejected by the major grading services. If you're willing to gamble, I'd go with PCGS. You'll have to decide whether to crack it out or send it in still in the slab. I think they are more likely to reject the coin if it's in the slab, especially since it's an NNC slab. For comparison, here's my 1884-S.   This coin has quite a few contact marks and some hairlines, but it does retain considerable luster around the letters and stars. ANACS called this a no-problem AU-55. Good luck on the cross-over if you decide to go for it! |
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United States
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No kidding? That is good info to know and I will be sure to stay away from them. Before I knew any better I bought a Walker graded MS-65 in a NNC holder. What a joke, not even close.  Live and learn. |
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