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Why Does A Morgan Dollar Have More Silver Than 2 Barber Half Dollars (Etc)?

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 Posted 03/05/2018  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
When the weight of the silver coinage was reduced in 1873 (4?), they left the dollar alone, thus creating the observed imbalance. Part of the trade-offs required to pass Congress in the era of bi-mentalism.
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 Posted 03/05/2018  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
BStrauss3 is close, but it was in 1853 not 73. In 1873 they INCREASED the weight of the subsidiary silver. In 1853 when they reduced the weight of the Half Dime through half dollar they also reduced their legal tender status from unlimited to just $5. Their lighter weight meant that they had less silver in them than their face value and and with their limited status they became subsidiary coins and coin only for the government account. Free coinage of silver was ended. The dollar on the other hand was kept at its full weight because well it was a standard and Congress didn't want to mess with that and completely give up the idea of bimetallism. Unfortunately than meant the silver dollar now had between $1.04 and $1.08 worth of silver in them. That pretty well ended any chance that they would circulate. Between 1840 and 1850 was probably about the only time in our history that silver dollars circulated.
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Gold finds in California 1849, and the Comstock Lode silver find in 1859 caused problems in the U.S. fixed gold/silver exchange ratio that was the law.

One way in which large denomination gold and silver served as money is that silver dollars and gold double eagles remained largely in US Treasury vaults.

For purposes large domestic commerce, the Treasury kept the metals and issued gold and silver treasury certificates that were widely used for large payments.

As a result of this arrangement, there are today, millions of uncirculated silver dollars and double eagles that sat mostly in vaults.

One exception was in international trade where hard metal was often required for payment as foreign traders did not have access to the US Treasury or domestic US banks.

To answer the original question, the fixed gold/silver was 15/1 in 1792, 16/1 in 1934 before the '49 gold rush. This caused problems as the relative value of gold and silver in dollars was not constant, especially in light of large supply and demand shocks, but the metal content of coinage could not be adjusted on the fly to reflect market conditions.
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Conder is spot-on.
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If a speculator was able to trade 2 half dollars (dated 1853-1873) for 1 Seated dollar he would instantly gain about 4% profit in silver content. I don't know how widespread this practice might have been but it likely contributed to the low survival rate for the dollar coins.
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Although the value of silver relative to the dollar fluctuated, the main consideration for setting the US silver dollar silver content standard was that it competed with the Mexican 8 reales coin which during 1824-1897 had an ASW of 0.7859 oz. The US dollar was designed to compete in international trade with the large silver Mexican coinage. It still lost out even with the advent of the 420 grain, ASW 0.7876 oz Trade dollar.
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If a speculator was able to trade 2 half dollars (dated 1853-1873) for 1 Seated dollar he would instantly gain about 4% profit in silver content. I don't know how widespread this practice might have been but it likely contributed to the low survival rate for the dollar coins.


That difference in silver content persisted with the Morgan and Peace dollars and that did not reduce the survival rate of those coins significantly although a large number of them were melted. It did take silver dollars out of circulation.

Seated dollars are scarce mostly because very few were minted. Seated dollars mintages only exceeded 1 million in 2 years and then just barely.

About 6.5 million Seated dollars were minted. Contrast that with about 657 million Morgan dollars produced by the US Mint.
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Informative indeed! Great to see all of these perspectives, I'm learning a lot.
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That difference in silver content persisted with the Morgan and Peace dollars and that did not reduce the survival rate of those coins significantly although a large number of them were melted. It did take silver dollars out of circulation.

But by the time the Morgan dollar came out, silver had dropped well past the point where the metal was worth more than the face value. (A silver dollar has $1 worth of silver in it when silver is $1.29 an oz. In 1878 it was $1.10 an oz.) By the time of the Sherman Silver purchase act in 1890 silver was down to $1.06 and dropping. Sure it still had more silver than two half dollars but who cared? Two half dollars had 76 cents worth of silver in them and the silver dollar had 82 cents, but they could be SPENT for $1. By the time the Peace dollar came out silver was down to $0.66 an oz. A silver dollar had 51 cents worth of silver in it and two half dollars had 49 cents worth. (Silver finally reached bottom in 1932 at $0.25 an ounce.)

So it didn't make sense to swap two halves for Morgans or Peace dollars and hoard them or melt them down.
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I just love these history lessons.
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Was it the culture that drove people to hoard the silver dollars? I'd have to do some digging, but I recall reading that the Mint boasted in 1921/22 that they were going to make so many Peace dollars that they would circulate over the whole nation and nobody would ever hoard them or charge more than face for one.
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Was it the culture that drove people to hoard the silver dollars?


People didn't hoard silver dollars. The vast majority did not circulate. They remained in treasury and bank vaults and were not released into circulation until the 1960s and 70s. Commerce was conducted using drafts backed by specie (metal coins) held in storage by financial institutions.

The California Gold Rush of 1849, Comstock Lode in 1859 depressed the global price of gold and silver and hardly anyone wanted any substantial quantity of the coins at face value. Even if they were worth slightly more than a dollar, it cost money to store, transport, provide security, and were subject to market price risk.

Western mining interests lobbied the Congress and the Treasury to mint huge quantities of silver dollars and double eagles to be held in reserve so that wealthy miners had an outlet to dump the metal.
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Very interesting topic.
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