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Looks like a decent AU to me. Although the strike through will not impact the grade it will certainly influence the value IMO. The scratches that numismatic student points out that are under the arm in the right obverse field are actually raised. Looking through Heritage archives I have found other 1845 LSD's that show this same characteristic. Take a look at Heritage auction #1258 (2017ANA) Lot # 5305.
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It seems you're suggesting that there was a scratched/defaced obverse die. Wasn't able to tell if it was raised or incuse but your explanation seems reasonable. That strikethough, if that is what it is, looks just like a deep gouge. Coupled with the defaced die issue, if in a straight holder, I wouldn't choose this one over others that are problem free. Although mintage is low, it doesn't seem hard to find. Thanks for the info  |
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AU-50, weak strike in certain areas.
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According to Dick Osburn/Brian Cushing and their research on LSD's they indicate that only one pair of dies have been identified as being used for business strikes.
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03/15/2018 8:02 pm
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According to Dick Osburn/Brian Cushing and their research on LSD's they indicate that only one pair of dies have been identified as being used for business strikes. PCGS refers to the Breen reference and states that there were three obverse varieties. Looks like there may be some conflicting reference material out there. https://www.PCGS.com/books/silver-d...ngs-014.aspxQuote:1845 Liberty Seated dollar Varieties Business strikes:
1-3. Normal Date: Breen-5433. Obverse: At least three obverse varieties of business strikes are known, one of which shows repunching on the third digit. |
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I would go with the newest information out there which is that by Osburn and Cushing. http://www.seateddollarvarieties.co...45-OC1.shtmlThey list three die states for the obverse: State a: Perfect die State b: A single light clash mark is visible in the field under the arm State c: Double clashing under the right arm, with rather wide separation They list two die states for the reverse: State a: Perfect die State b: Faint clashing visible as a light line connecting the upper leaf to the left wing This information came from thee link above which is the digital version of their recently printed book. -MV |
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MeadowviewCollector: Thank you very much for the additional information concerning the die states that I completely overlooked when referencing Osburn/Cushing. Also thanks to numismatic student for his continued contributions. Seated dollars seem to have taken a back seat to other Seated series but I think that is finally changing. All I know is that nice original examples are difficult to find. Edited by Everest
03/15/2018 8:10 pm
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All I know is that nice original examples are difficult to find. I had an interesting conversation with Gerry Fortin today. Basically I was complaining how Heritage's Seated dollar selection has been nothing but crap lately. He attributed it to their increased fees and that he and Great Collections were eating their lunch for them. Though I haven't purchased from Gerry yet, I agreed with him on GC and Heritage. Ian has had a great selection of beautiful Seated coins over the last 6 months, perhaps even over the last year. I have purchased some of my most beautiful coins from GC. While with Heritage, it seems to me that the quality has continued to decline. Take a look at their sld selection for the signature auction at the end of March. All but maybe 1 or 2 coins are junk. Edited by MikeF
03/15/2018 8:36 pm
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I am not seeing much wear on this coin—just a weak strike. I would think AU-55.
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I'm in the EF-45 crowd. Nice thick skin, but having a hard time from the images picturing exactly what the toning looks like. Quote:
I had an interesting conversation with Gerry Fortin today. I have looked at his website several times recently. I wish he had better pictures/images of his inventory as he has some interesting pieces listed. I just can't get a feel for the toning.  |
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I have looked at his website several times recently. I wish he had better pictures/images of his inventory as he has some interesting pieces listed. I just can't get a feel for the toning. I think his deals come with return privileges but I agree that he needs higher resolution photos. |
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This one is graded au-55. It's important to note that 45's are notorious for their poor strikes. Throwing graders a vicious curve ball.
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03/19/2018 11:59 pm
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