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ICCS Time To Join The 20th Century

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 Posted 05/28/2018  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KHatt to your friends list


Especially if you are buying it over the internet and getting it shipped to you...
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 Posted 05/28/2018  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
As a Canadian, a PCGS coin would cost at least 30 US dollar with shipping and insurance both ways it will come close to 100 bucks a coin, any time I have used a Canadian PCGS dealer, it costs were well over a hundred bucks.
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 Posted 05/29/2018  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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As a Canadian, a PCGS coin would cost at least 30 US dollar with shipping and insurance both ways it will come close to 100 bucks a coin, any time I have used a Canadian PCGS dealer, it costs were well over a hundred bucks.


It honestly shouldn't be anywhere close to a 100 bucks a coin even with the currency conversion. It should be like 37 CAD to 53 CAD as long as you aren't using express level or an ultra high value one for the grading without shipping. Even international shipping just shouldn't be adding 40-50 dollars per coin if you're doing a decent sized submission.
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 Posted 05/29/2018  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list

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It honestly shouldn't be anywhere close to a 100 bucks a coin even with the currency conversion. It should be like 37 CAD to 53 CAD as long as you aren't using express level or an ultra high value one for the grading without shipping. Even international shipping just shouldn't be adding 40-50 dollars per coin if you're doing a decent sized submission.


Still, it's 3x to 5x the cost of getting a coin graded at ICCS.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wizard1 to your friends list
HOWEVER... don't forget that NGC & PCGS requires an annual membership fee. You gotta pay to get your foot in the door before you have the privilege of getting it flattened =D
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 Posted 05/31/2018  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list
I would not buy ICCS. Still not recognized TPG in the US. Sorry.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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. HOWEVER... don't forget that NGC & PCGS requires an annual membership fee. You gotta pay to get your foot in the door before you have the privilege of getting it flattened =D


That's honestly not true. If you get the 299 PCGS membership with 8 vouchers and use it at the regular level it saves you money on the first submission. For NGC if you get the 150 you get 150 in credit. So while they may require a "membership" up front right before you submit you don't actually pay for a membership and in the case of PCGS you save money on the first submission.

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 Posted 05/31/2018  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list

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I would not buy ICCS. Still not recognized TPG in the US. Sorry.


I agree.

This is the Catch-22 with ICCS.

In the US and Internationally, ICCS has no standing at all.

But, in Canada, it's Number 1.

Go figure.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JeyRey2000 to your friends list
I just joined PCGS and tell you the membership fee is well worth it. You get online tracking of where your coin is in the process. Some options they photograph your coin and upload it to your account. The online pop report and registry to boot.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  09:45 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
ICCS may not be "recognized " in the US as a TPG. Then WHY do most of the better ICCS pieces I sell end up in the States?
As to membership in PCGS and NGC.......why not join the ANA and then you have direct submission privileges with NGC , plus you have joined a great organization and you get a wonderful copy of The Numismatist magazine every month.
One further item .... YES it does cost a minimum of 80 to a 100 CAD to send just a single coin to PCGS from Canada depending on level of service and value. Breaks down like this .The shipping both ways is 50 CAD ( Expresspost to USA , Insured Register return from USA ) single coin Certification between 39 to 56 CAD plus the neat little charge of 11 CAD or so for the invoice paperwork .
Years back I sent in Three Barber coins via J&M ( Joe did it as a Favour) , final cost to me $165 CAD.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  10:59 am  Show Profile   Check NumisCat's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisCat to your friends list
Recognition of ICCS is not a problem among high-end American collectors of Canadian material. But the best stuff inevitably gets cracked out and sent to PCGS for Registry purposes, TrueViews, better holders, better liquidity among less knowledgeable collectors, etc. For coins grading $500 and up, $50-$75 dollars per coin isn't an outrageous amount of money for the services PCGS provides. Not to mention some of us believe they are more competent graders (copper, problem coins, authenticity, consistency at Mint State levels, soft strikes).
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 Posted 05/31/2018  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list

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why not join the ANA and then you have direct submission privileges with NGC , plus you have joined a great organization and you get a wonderful copy of The Numismatist magazine every month.


Thanks for the tip!
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 Posted 05/31/2018  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list

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ICCS may not be "recognized " in the US as a TPG. Then WHY do most of the better ICCS pieces I sell end up in the States?


Because those collectors either are Canadians stationed in the US or more likely, these are the very astute American collectors who are aware of the importance of ICCS in Canada and also realize, if they were ever to sell their Canadian coins, they would get the most by having an ICCS graded coin.


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But the best (ICCS) stuff inevitably gets cracked out and sent to PCGS for Registry purposes


and THAT folks is the real reason why PCGS has surged in popularity for Canadian coins.

It's not for preference or for added profit, it's for the Registry set.

You have to admit, the person that thought of the Registry Sets was a pure capitalistic genius.

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 Posted 05/31/2018  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
That is not quite true, although set collecting does encourage one to up each others, the big reason for higher value coins to reside in one of the top two TPG is the assurance guarantee. When you pay a grand or more for a coin, it's nice to have an opinion that's guaranteed.
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 Posted 05/31/2018  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
john100........yes, I agree with you..............good point.
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