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Thoughts From Experience Re: Ultrasonic Cleaning

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 Posted 06/22/2008  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neversuited1 to your friends list
Thank you bherring...your advice is much appreciated.
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 Posted 06/22/2008  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
I have often wondered about the ultrasomic cleaner, but until now, have never seen, or heard of it being used. It is the oly type "cleaner", that I would think is safe to use. It will take time to find out for sure, and BTW, how much, and where can one obtain one of these "machnes"? Thanks,
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 Posted 06/22/2008  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neversuited1 to your friends list
Dick,

I read a thread that BadThad had wrote a while back about them and was just considering if it would be worth it. There are plenty listed on ebay, ranging from $20 and up... you prop get what you pay for. Just my thoughts.
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 Posted 06/22/2008  01:58 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
The only point of it is to loosen grim and stuff that is stuck on places that normal cleaning (of jewelry normally) cannot remove. They Do work extremely well though. I unfortunately used to work for a company that sold em.

I am curious to see how one would work if you filled it with acetone instead and rewired it to run for 24 hours straight
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 Posted 06/22/2008  02:21 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I am curious to see how one would work if you filled it with acetone

DON'T put acetone in an ultra-sonic cleaner! There is a fire risk and it will destroy any plastic that the liquid or fumes come into contact with.

A couple minutes using Goo Gone with the coin (singular) in the plastic basket can help. Run cool water over the coin afterwards and blot dry. More than one coin in the cleaner or coin on the bottom metal surface of the cleaner can cause scratches.

Make sure the coin is completely dry before inserting in an Air-Tite or 2 x 2.
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 Posted 06/22/2008  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list
Any done with a a ultrasonic machinery's if you had it graded by a TPG it will be body baged or marked Cleaned.
What ever value it had before you clean it is gone
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 Posted 06/23/2008  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ocsjr2001 to your friends list
A couple years ago there was an article in Coin World by someone that claimed this is the way to go, will not ruin coins. WRONG!! Used soap and water, rinsed with distilled water, blotted dry. They came back with CLEANED on the holder just like amac44 is telling you. Now I only use it to clean rifle brass, does a wonderful job on them too!
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 Posted 06/23/2008  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
An ultrasonic cleaner by itself with just water WILL NOT cause a coin to be bodybagged or labeled as cleaned. Anyone that says that has never used an ultrasonic cleaner and does not have an understanding of how it operates. Ultrasonic cleaners use high frequency sound waves projected through a liquid medium to remove surface material from a coin and it will not disturb the metal whatsoever(unless you have the coin sliding around in the metal basket while it is getting cleaned). The soap would have been the reason for the CLEANED label, not the ultrasonic cleaner. Most soaps are alkaline(basic pH- opposite of acidic) and will react with metal.

However, ultrasonic cleaners are not the "greatest thing since sliced bread" for cleaning coins. I find it tedious, noisy, and not that effective for very crusty coins. Organic solvents are much more efficient and quicker at removing surface muck, usually just requiring a quick dunking. They are minimally effective for metal detector coins but it doesn't do too much for the really encrusted ones.

As Peter THOMAS so eloquently stated, "WOTAM"
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 Posted 06/23/2008  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jays-Dad to your friends list
I bought one off of ebay and tried it on some dirty pennies from my kids piggy bank. I couldn't see any change. I tried putting dish soap in. No change. In fact, when it runs, I can't really even see anything. Is it supposed to bubble a lot? My produces very tiny amounts of bubbles. Did I just buy a "broken" machine? I'm so busy with so many other things, I packed it away after trying it a few times. I only wanted it so I could rescue a few unidentifiable coins. Perhaps clean up some cheap ancients.
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 Posted 06/23/2008  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list
I think the short and simple is that if it actually worked well, it would be mentioned all over the place and especially anytime there was a thread about cleaning coins.

I patrol a few coin forums and have very, very seldom seen mention of the ultrasonic cleaner.

That is how I judge their effectiveness.
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 Posted 06/27/2008  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list
Kabiye_lady, I tend to agree with you, for the very reason you mentioned. I have inwquired on other forums,about cleanng coins, and have gotten some different answers, but noe mention, or suggest Ultra-sonics. I know what ultra-sonics are, but did not know that they were used with licquids for the cleansing process. All the more reason to "just forget the cleaning', and you won't receive any "unpleasant surprises" from you favorite THG!
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 Posted 06/27/2008  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list
Ultrasonic cleaners vary significantly in quality... A $49.99 "jewelry cleaner" from the household goods department is not the best thing going. The results from a $700 Crest benchtop unit can be impressive. It does also depend on what you add to the water, and exactly what kind of gunk you've got on the coin to begin with.
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 Posted 06/27/2008  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
biokemist6 is dead-on once again. The ultrasonic "vibrations" will not affect a coin's surface, it's the soap or whatever you put the coin in that does the damage. All the ultrasonic bath does is vibrate the specimen at a very high frequency.

NEVER use ANY solvents in an ultrasonic bath. Not only do you risk a serious fire, but you will aerosolize fine particles which are hazardous to your health. Ultrasonic baths can get very, very hot....think of it like a microwave oven....that's why the all have timers on them.

I have no problem using an ultrasonic bath. It will greatly speed a reaction or cleaning process and, if done properly using the correct mediums, it can produce great results.
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I was wondering if you could use olive oil in it,maybe let it run for a little while with the oil?
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 Posted 06/27/2008  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I think olive oil would be safe, the sonicator will just speed along the reaction. However, you don't want to do it so long it gets hot.....olive oil is combustible!
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