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There is NO indication of a mint mark nor designer initials. A common 1909-P in FR-02 at best, candidate for the cull/junk bins.
BTW, no such thing as a "Horizontal S"...there is a RPM S over Horizontal S, but you don't even have an S
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I actually see a vdb on the reverse of the first pic. I also see why you see a "s" on the obverse, but it's just a trick of the eye.
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If it is not raised, it is not there.
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Your coin is a dinged up 1909-P cent. Wholesale "buy" is about 50 cents.
The more you look at something like this the more you see things that aren't there. Your eyes and mind are playing tricks on you.
This has happened to all of us at one time or another during our coin careers.  CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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First  To CCF , Sorry but you don't have anything to speak of .  |
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THIS is what a 1909 S V.D.B looks like.   Note the location and orientation of the "S" mintmark and the "V.D.B." If your coin does not have them in these locations then your coin is not a 1909 S V.D.B |
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CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Yes, thanks, but I don't think this is the issue here.
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I actually see a vdb on the reverse of the first pic.  Really? please point it out. |
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I clipped, rotated, and sharpened the pics that Coreyv1982 posted. They're still too blurred to be sure of anything, but I think I see what he sees. See the circled areas on the enhanced photos below. Obverse:  Reverse:  Here is a genuine 1909-S VDB reverse, with lines added from the two "Ns" to the V.D.B. location.  And the questionable coin, with the best lines I could add to a fuzzy, incomplete photo.  First, if there is an "S" mm, and if what I have circled is that suspected mm, it would almost have to be Die #3. The location north-south seems close. The location east-west is what makes me pause, since it almost seems to be caught between Dies 2 and 3. Since there were more dies for the 1909-S than the 1909-S V.D.B., the mm location can't rule out a 1909-S. It's possible,but without a sharper photo, I'm not (yet) convinced there is an "S" on this critter. The most likely blobs to be a "V.D.B." seem too far east, but much better pictures are needed. I'm inclined to see this as a 1909 Philadelphia, with a slight possibility that it is a badly abused and worn 1909-S. Regardless, this is one coin that has been "rode hard and put away wet." |
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Even the lowest grade 1909-S on PCGS still shows the mint mark while the date digits are going away:  Not an 'S' mint marked coin. |
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Even the lowest grade 1909-S on PCGS still shows the mint mark while the date digits are going away: @coop, I agree, the mm would be clear on any '09-S. What makes me pause a bit is that (1) this coin has so much damage that part of the mm could have been obliterated by PMD and (2) the photos are hopelessly blurry. If a clearer photo doesn't show PMD in that area, it definitely isn't a mm. |
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But if the device was obliterated, they would be be damage on that area. There is none. It is flat. So it was never there. If it were flattened, the reverse would show the damgage:  If metal is moved, where did it go?  Edited by coop
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I don't see the V.D.B. initials. I think you have the normal 1909 S with no V.D.B. initials.
Errers and Varietys.
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I see nothing to make me think it is a mint mark at all on this coin. You anyone buy it thinking it was a 1909-S? Big difference in price.
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Posted 09/06/2018 2:36 pm
