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An interesting thread for sure  I suspected the coin was just a PL..there are some seriously nice strikes on PL dollars in 1961, 1962 and 1963..although they are harder to find with great strikes. The pedigree is still neat but I wonder if it is actually a Belzberg coin as I could not find it in the 2003 auction of their collection. Feel free to call me Will.
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Great photos!
My personal opinion is that it is a PL strike based on the 'roughness' on the neck.
But if it's residue as you say, perhaps give it a soak in acetone.
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I don't think it is specimen but rims are flat and sharp doesn't look like a business strike maybe a pl?
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....I wonder if it is actually a Belzberg coin... The ebay seller may indeed be Mr. Belzberg himself, check out his other items for sale. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Belzberg... Yes it was him selling the coin directly and it was not listed in the 2003 collection. Here is the gunk that is stuck around the neck, tried a hot distilled water bath, looks a bit better, but a lot of the chunks are still there.  Edited by purelywasted
11/13/2018 06:54 am
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There are no SP strikes for 1953 SF, 1962 or 1963.100%. Those cases issued in 1965. Also, that coin shows the roughness on the neck and shoulder. I was able to read some of the Mint Master's Annual Reports a few weeks ago and found some interesting information, but probably already widely know to many. 1. Mint claims no single dollars issued (1965, 1966, 1967) due to high demand from speculators, only sets available, $1000 bags could be purchased from banks. Unsure if Specimen sales would be included in this or not, but this seems contrary to Sandy's view on 1965, but he probably has better/more information than what I have found.  2. Unfortunately there was no indication on strike type, but the mint indicates 47,591 individual dollars were sold in 1962, I wonder if these were bags, strips or cases? Interesting fact, they recorded the sale of 3 individual dimes and 4 quarters, kind of a funny number to keep track of.  3. I have been looking for more info on these cases and cannot seem to find any other pictures of them. Has anyone else seen pictures and/or own one of these cases?  A new research problem to keep me going when looking for something to do. |
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Only way to put this baby to bed is to send it in to ICCS. No one here can be 100% sure. Don't send it to any US TPG as they are too often way off when it comes to identifying Canadian SP and PL coins. Very inexpensive to send it to ICCS with a two week turn around. |
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Not that I'm familiar with the red case above but I did notice that the crown on top of the shield appears to be a Kings crown not a Queens.
If this is correct perhaps it originated from a mint product prior to Queen Victoria.
Cheers, Bill
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there is no "King's" vs "Queen's" crown;
That one appears to either be the Imperial State Crown, or the St. Edwards Crown - most likely it it the former.
It was suggested earlier that this case was absolutely used in 1964 - but the interesting twist (to me) is that the mint has detailed records of singular examples of "uncirculated" coins being issued - to the minutia of three dimes, and four quarters being recorded as being issued in 1962...
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No one here can be 100% sure. I showed this thread to Sandy Campbell. You can bet the mortgage that he is 100% sure. Nobody knows early specimen strikes better than him - not even Brian Cornwell. Quote:Only way to put this baby to bed is to send it in to ICCS. Don't send it to any US TPG as they are too often way off when it comes to identifying Canadian SP and PL coins. I can provide examples where ICCS assigned PL grades to specimen coins, and assigned PL grades to business strike coins. To err is human, and no TPG is 100% error-free... There is also a grey area in this whole mess before 1967, because SP dies were used to strike PL coins, and both SP and PL dies were used at the Hull mint for business strikes.... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Has anyone else seen pictures and/or own one of these cases? I googled Canadian "Short" Coat of Arms " and got this: 322216731819In the sellers description is a line: "King George VI coat of arms in Canada" . To me that is describing King George's Coat of Arms. Not Canada's . It does resemble the one on the case. Although yours is for a dollar I presume. Just a thought . |
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The Arms on the case is the Arms of Canada as used from 1921-1957.
It appears on our fifty-cent coins from 1937-1959.
The crown is the King's Crown aka Imperial Crown.
It is not a real crown and is merely a representation of the Tudor Crown which was sold for scrap hundreds of years ago.
In 1957 Queen Elizabeth adopted the St. Edwards Crown, a real crown which was used for her coronation, and appears on our 50cent coins since 1959.
This makes me wonder about the origin of the case.
Why would the Mint use a case with an outdated Arms of Canada?
Most early specimen coins were struck for presentation to VIPs and visiting dignitaries. Would the Government knowingly display incompetence by presenting these with the wrong Arms?
Most likely some sort of aftermarket case.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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A case like this was posted previously on this forum, I believe by dollarman, but I can't search right now.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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