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I Bought A 1909 VDB (Lwc) Matte Proof With Better Die Markers

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 Posted 11/03/2018  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Is this slabbed as a Proof?

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 Posted 11/03/2018  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I'm thinking not!
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 Posted 11/03/2018  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list
It's slabbed MS66 red in an old NGC holder, before this die pair was even hinted at.
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 Posted 11/03/2018  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
MS or PR 66?
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Mint state 66
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 Posted 11/03/2018  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
What a beautiful coin...hope you realize your desired potential return.

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 Posted 11/04/2018  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Great looking coin! GOOD LUCK!
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 Posted 11/04/2018  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list
Given that the die was used to produce business strikes and NGC certified it as MS, how are you going to get NGC or PCGS to certify it as proof?
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 Posted 11/04/2018  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list

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Given that the die was used to produce business strikes and NGC certified it as MS, how are you going to get NGC or PCGS to certify it as proof?


That is the major question. Although recently, one of the TPG mis-attributed a pattern 1916 SLQ as a regular issue, despite obvious indications, this is tough battle to fight. The OP may have a case, but the TPGs probably don't like to be proven wrong. Some Sellers put TPG MS coins on ebay, claiming they are proofs for crazy prices, but (in my opinion) it just makes them look silly and in general discredits them. However, if the OP is correct, GO FOR IT!




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 Posted 11/04/2018  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
worth a shot!
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 Posted 11/04/2018  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Wouldn't it be best to have a major auction house crack it out, and submit as a proof, in order to have the best chance?
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I agree that there are hurdles to get over with this. I have to prove that this is a proof to a company that doesn't want to be wrong. An auction house might have a better chance but that's if they present it with the evidence I have, as this coin isn't a proof without me proving this die pair started its life as a proof die pair. It's really difficult because of the extremely low amount of the proofs around from this die and also the high amount of mint state coins from this die. I'm going to prove that it's a proof with the information I've gathered, a lot of which I haven't posted about yet. I'm really excited to see what happens with my research, thank you guys for the good wishes :)
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 Posted 11/04/2018  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So far, I'm not convinced your evidence proves this is a proof strike from a pair of dies that once produced proofs and has already been vetted as MS. Specifically, what delineates the shift from proof striking to regular issue striking - what exact features distinguish them?
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Showing what makes the difference between a proof and a business strike if these coins is what I'm actually working on now, this is the hard part as I don't have the potentially proof coin from the mail yet and I'm also waiting for some business strike looking ones from this die pair to come in. Once they come in I will try and figure out how to distinguish the two.
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