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Thoughts On NGC CAC Crossovers To PCGS

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 Posted 01/08/2019  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Do CAC approved coins graded by NGC, have a higher likelihood of crossing to PCGS at the same grade.


Compared to normal NGC coins yes, does it mean they all will no
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01/08/2019 6:53 pm
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 Posted 01/08/2019  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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Do CAC approved coins graded by NGC, have a higher likelihood of crossing to PCGS at the same grade.


Here are several things to consider:

CAC stickers are disregarded by PCGS.
Many (most) NGC coins have never been to CAC.
In theory you have a solid for the grade coin because of the CAC sticker.
So you might have a better likelihood of crossover but most people would say crack and submit raw for the best odds.
Of course you know NGC will re-holder the pieces at grade and CAC will re-sticker. This is a sure thing.
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01/08/2019 6:59 pm
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 Posted 01/08/2019  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
This is the one I'm most concerned about crossing over. Currently graded au-58 with CAC but this holder is a mess.

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 Posted 01/08/2019  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
That Seated dollar looks good at AU58. Only thing that might hold it back would be the hidden rims and/or PCGS thinking there's too much friction on the obverse and calling it a 55. The rims look good to me though so I'd try it if I wasn't concerned about losing the $$ if it fails to cross.

Going back to NGC would net you a known result of course.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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Going back to NGC would net you a known result of course.


Just to be clear, I'm NOT cracking any of these out. I'm submitting them in their holders.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon Brand to your friends list
The 1850c $5 Gold liberty I posted in its own thread with the crazy color toning, just crossed from NGC to PCGS. But it downgraded from 55 to 53 as we suspected it might when crossing over. However this may be off topic as the coin did not sticker as an NGC55. But now I wonder if it has a shot in a PCGS 53 holder. I still suspect no because CAC does not usually like gold toned that intensely.

I would definately always want to cross from NGC to PCGS as I feel they are more fluid (and bring higher premiums) when selling and also NGC slabs are extremely tough to photograph especially how they scratch...., IMO.

I would think they will normally downgrade unless they are stickered. In theory the sticker should mean something about the quality of the coin.

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 Posted 01/08/2019  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
I think a lot of it is arrogance on PCGS's part. I've heard similar stories of them dropping grades on NGC crossovers. I don't think they are in a position to do that right now.

Another mentioned that most NGC coins have never been submitted to CAC. That's intriguing. Maybe this whole assumption that NGC coins are less likely to bean is a total sham.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list
I have a Seated Half that was in an NGC AU-58 holder with a CAC sticker. The previous owner crossed it over to PCGS (still in the slab) and it was graded a 55. CAC gave the PCGS a green bean too.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
That's exactly my concern, Chester. No way will I crack these out before sending them in. That just adds another layer of expense and hassle and headache. Learned that lesson the hard way with another coin I cracked out.
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 Posted 01/09/2019  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
When you submit NGC coins to PCGS, the CAC stickers adds no weight to getting the coin crossed. If the holders are scratched blocking the view of the coin, it will not cross to PCGS. Before you send to PCGS polish the plastic to remove the scratches with PlastX. I sent 6 NGC with green stickers to PCGS 4 crossed and 2 did not cross. The 2 coins that did not cross were nice coins for the grade.

I am not going to make any comments about your coin crossing because the only opinion that counts is PCGS.
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Just to be clear, I'm NOT cracking any of these out. I'm submitting them in their holders.


Understood. The comment regarded sending it back to NGC and having them re-holder it in a new AU58 holder. CAC will then sticker it at a discount (CAC used to re-sticker for $3 plus S&H).

I agree with cleaning up the current holder as much as possible if you do send it to PCGS for a crossover attempt. Looking at your coin that's already in a green beaned fattie makes me think you have a very good chance on a crossover.
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 Posted 01/09/2019  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I think a lot of it is arrogance on PCGS's part. I've heard similar stories of them dropping grades on NGC crossovers.


It's not arrogance they just have different standards and have been tighter. Eye appeal means more to them too


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Another mentioned that most NGC coins have never been submitted to CAC. That's intriguing.


Most PCGS coins haven't been sent to CAC either. There's no point sending common date/grade Morgans/Saints which makes up millions of coins and most coins in general wouldn't make sense financially.

Now it's a different story if you're talking about five figure coins or expensive coins at major auctions ect.

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 Posted 01/09/2019  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Too much risk and hassle imo. Just leave as is. Scratched holders don't bother me, and they can be cleaned up/polished if need be. NGC is a better technical grader anyway imo.
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 Posted 01/09/2019  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
How about sending your 1848 Dollar back to NGC for reholdering. A new clear slab with viewable rims would improve your odds. Then off to PCGS for the crossover. Regardless if it crosses or not send the coin back to CAC with photographic evidence of their prior approval. Good Luck. I like it as is. This coin has changed hands a couple of times last year and I do not think either dealer involved would leave money on the table by not crossing it to PCGS. But who knows.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
I'd try some Plast-X on that slab before having it reholdered or trying to cross it to PCGS.
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