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Canada
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 Posted 08/08/2008  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malibu to your friends list
Don't overlook demographics. I " inherited" a large, valuable collection in 1972 and only recently became interested (I'm 45). I joined a coin club 10 years ago and never really got into it and the slide shows put me to sleep, so I quit. Now I find it fascinating...is it an age thing? If so, the ageing boomer population will have a huge effect on the hobby as they reach retirement and begin to spend time and money on it.

This hobby is not physically demanding like restoring old cars or building scale train layouts. It can be put away in a drawer and can give many hours of enjoyment without taking over half the basement and requiring constant physiotherapy. Again, this has a strong appeal to older hobbyists who enjoy having the full use of their limbs for other activities.

And the thirst for knowledge; we all have it but it evolves through life; in our 20's we have different interests than in our 60's. History is fascinating and coins ARE history. I can't believe how much world history knowledge I've picked up in recent months by studying and researching coins. Those little histories at the start of each country in Krause Catalogs are fun to read and it adds to your enjoyment and understanding of the coins.

This is a boomer hobby and it is going through an immense expansion. Good luck finding good coins!
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United States
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 Posted 08/08/2008  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gettingbrowned to your friends list
well put, malibu

the boomer demographic is making it quickly increase as a hobby, and the internet is facilitating a much wider market for coin sales. the latter both helps and hurts I believe.. now anyone who finds an odd or old coin in their pocket can put it up for sale to everyone (i.e. ebay.) instead of either leaving it in circulation or trying to sell to a dealer. it seems to me that there is a wider market for coins, and a growing amount of numismatists.

im not sure that made much sense.. I tend to ramble a lot
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 Posted 08/08/2008  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list
I still see fine examples to purchase. They are everywhere. I think the cost of coins has risen. This is because the high end coins moved up. 'A rising tide, raises all boats.
As the high end moves up, all below move up. So when the 'deep cameo proof' doubles, the 'G4' doubles as well.
I also agree that the internet has united seller with buyer more effectively.
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 Posted 08/08/2008  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list


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'A rising tide, raises all boats.

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 Posted 08/08/2008  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
I've written about this and asked the same question over the past year or so. I basically only have an eye for nice circulated Type material, mainly 2-3-20 cent stuff. Other things too, on occasion. If I find something that has that great problem-free, original, VF+ circulated look, my eye goes right to it. Then I see if I think the coin is a value for how it's priced. That's how some of the many "unnecessary" coins have recently made their way into my possession in recent months. I can't NOT buy them. However, I've recently started to sell some of this stuff off. There's at least a couple of forum members here that are familiar with stuff I've sold and I'm selling (but not widely advertising).

I've been complaining that there hasn't been a lot of fresh material at my local shows for awhile. I have to admit, that at the last Colorado Springs show, there seemed like a lot of nice bust and seated material (lots of 1875-S 20-centers!) all over, but I was not in the buying mood at the time, nor had the patience to really look at all the stuff. Beyond that, there's been a dearth of this material. The problem is that the dealer sheets aren't really reflecting this. This means that the bids are still relatively low which in turn means they're not offering a lot for the nicer generic material. Hence, they won't have it to offer. Now, if you have some high end stuff to sell these dealers, that's a different story.
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 Posted 08/08/2008  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list
I think US coins are still available, just too expensive. This is in part due to the interest generated by the State Quarter program and in part due to new mediums of sale like ebay and HSN. In time I think there will be a correction. Until then I've chosen to focus on my darkside collection. Usually you can get darkside coins that are rarer, older and/or in better condition than comparably priced US coins. Frankly, a lot of foreign coins have better designs than their US counterparts too.
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 Posted 08/08/2008  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list
I think more people are selling their crappy coins because of the increases on price for certain series. So more of the junk is clogging the normal supply.
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 Posted 08/08/2008  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ken_3567 to your friends list

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I think US coins are still available, just too expensive



For the last 9 months most of my purchases have been world coins since they are less expensive. Problem now is I'm starting to get hooked on world coins.
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 Posted 08/11/2008  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list


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For the last 9 months most of my purchases have been world coins since they are less expensive. Problem now is I'm starting to get hooked on world coins


Most of my collection is foreign. For the mintage numbers, there is no relationship. I have a couple of which only thousands struck that are worth a little over melt. You cannot say the same for US.

Never could figure out why
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 Posted 08/14/2008  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Most people when asking that question seldom stop and consider the population in this country. Also, the population on Earth. There are now well over 300,000,000 people in the USA alone. Naturally pending how many have crossed over the Mexican Border since I started this post. The internet now allows people from all over the World to buy our coinage. Way back when coins were used by just several million people, mintages of several million coins was enough for everyone. Also, remember that not to long ago coins were just coins. People threw them in wells, in rivers and lakes. They were placed on RR tracks for fun. They were placed in a new concrete slab for good luck. They had holes drilled in them for jewelry. Copper coins are melted down by the millions at metal recyclers constantly. Silver and Gold coins are melted by jewlers for their useages also. No one really knows how many of some of those coins that were made in the millions survived. So I have found it actually amazing that any coins over 50 years old exist at all.
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 Posted 08/15/2008  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list

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However, I've recently started to sell some of this stuff off. There's at least a couple of forum members here that are familiar with stuff I've sold and I'm selling (but not widely advertising).


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South Africa
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 Posted 08/19/2008  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add way_wardsoldier to your friends list
i personally dont think its an entirely bad thing that quality coins are harder to find. it puts a bit more mystery into the whole thing and makes people a bit more adventurous in how/where they look for/find coins.knowledge and experience will always serve you well though.
or am I just being silly..?
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 Posted 08/19/2008  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list
Lots of good points here from many folks.

Here's what I observe at the shop.

If a lower end piece walks in, even a fairly tough one, the boss will generally let my coworker and I have first shot at it and generally cheap.

I recently bought an 1864 Small Motto Two Cent Piece for $30. Like a problem free AG3. Bought it because TRUST was visible making it easy to identify. Greysheet bid is $110 in G4.
I already had nine of them but figured why not? I could turn it for $50 tomorrow if I wanted to.

NOW, had that coin been an XF40 totally different story. Doesn't matter if I work there. He'd want at least Greysheet ask if it's fairly close to retail which it is not.
If he offered it at $450 I might go for it. $550 I say no.

Enter the TPG. Now this coin will end up at NGC most likely. Comes back XF40 and it's most likely headed to ebay. I watched one in an old PCI holder recently graded XF45 and sure enough it went for over $600.

So you have the internet and TPGs hitting hard IMO. Information is easier to access and more people are "investing" whether or not they really have a clue.

Now Bonedigger you've known me for a while and I'm not big on slabs. However, many of my coins will end up that way simply because I want my wife to make better money if something happens to me.

If "investors" want to pay for that plastic when I'm gone I sincerely hope she sticks it to them every single day.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list
Yes, I know your inner fears Clembo for I have the same ones too. Nobody knows like Clembo knows and everybody knows that Clembo's sure in his knowledge.

Take Care Bud
Ben
Edited by Bonedigger
08/20/2008 09:13 am
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 Posted 08/20/2008  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list

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If "investors" want to pay for that plastic when I'm gone I sincerely hope she sticks it to them every single day.


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