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I agree with Dave700 that the date position is wrong, and the coin is a counterfeit. Before you spend any time and money on the coin do a magnet test and check the weight. The coin should not stick to a magnet.
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A better magnet test will be to use a very strong magnet, touch to the coin, then pull away quickly. Compare to a real morgan, which will be lifted higher than a fake due to its higher electrical conductivity, this will work as long as the fake is not silver or pure copper, where a ring test would tell
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I see what I interpret as laser etching. I don't know enough about Morgans to say whether these kinds of lines ever appear on real ones. I recall noting the same thing in the same spot in the previous 1884-S but I'll have to go back and check. Welcome Trajan81, and no offense, but the good friend/inherited/new member posting $50000 coin thing has started making me perhaps overly suspicious on here.  |
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Pretty sure it's a fake. I'd take it to a local dealer to have them look at it before submitting it to a grading service.
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I'd definitely take it to a coin shop and test the silver content. What is the exact weight? From the posted pics, everything looks too... soft.. to me. Would need better pics. LCS is his best shot. If they say real, then spend a couple bucks and send to a TPG but I think it won't get that far. Edited by NDBirdman
02/14/2019 2:52 pm
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Thank you all for your replies. It's been very helpful. I don't know if this helps or confuses matters more, but the weight is exactly 26.7 grams ,(scale only goes to tenths), and it isn't magnetic at all. I used a pretty strong magnet. I also did the tissue test and it appears just as real silver should, (as far as I understand it). |
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Personally, I hope it is real, that would be a cool find! 26.73 is what it should weigh appx depending on how much wear.
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Is this a near date? Looking at all the VAMs for this coin, I can find the left shifted/filled S, but nothing about a near date, lots of far dates. I'm curious, hope you can take it to a coin shop to be looked at. Keep us updated.
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02/15/2019 11:29 pm
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This is a very expensive date in Mint State condition. It's estimated 5 pieces exist in the world at the MS65 level and they are $150,000+ coins. Even in lowly MS61 this date is $10,000+.
This coin questionable in appearance and is almost certainly a counterfeit. The weight and metallic content mean very little on the piece like this one. It could be 90% silver and of exactly the correct size and weight and be fake.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here's a side-by-side comparison of a known genuine Mint State 1884-S Morgan to the OP coin.  |
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Excellent side by side photo. I thinks that clearly demonstrates the mushiness in the OP phtotos
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Fake Morgan Rides Again. Note: this particular fake seems to be showing up more often, and that's scary. It's made of real silver, the weight and diameter are correct, and the detailing is a step above average compared to the usual fakes from the no-no site. 1884-S is such a condition scarcity in MS grades that I would not begin to consider purchasing one raw without VERY close inspection. I know you said this one was " inherited" but for those who might be tempted to buy one, if you see a $20000 coin selling for $200, there's a reason... Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
02/16/2019 8:07 pm
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Sellers selling these fakes need to be prosecuted, otherwise there will just be more and more of them.
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Wow, nice job on the side by side. I have no doubt that the ops coin is a fake seeing that.
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