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I just noticed the reverse is a bit mad or is the whole thing offset?
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It may be a fin rather than a Cud. |
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tropicalbats, Interesting example.  I'm sure it will get a new listing (CU-1c-1916S-01 Rim Cud). Again I see one not listed and again I see die alignment involved. This time both dies. Would you say the images are straight on or slightly skewed? Might double check the edge and diameter if straight on. Would you say the edge thickness exceeds 1.52mm? Just curious. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
02/20/2019 12:56 pm
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It is a rim Cud. How are rim Cuds formed?  I simulated one the front die. The outside edge had a rim edge that is lower on the side of the die. It is breaks away a bit, makes the rim raised higher.  Note the outside edge on the upper part of the die? There is step down that forms the rim. It that gets broke away (probably from making contact with the collar) it allows the metal to flow deeper on the die edge that makes the rim higher. |
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Quote:How are rim Cuds formed? I agree on how they're formed. The design rim gets chipped or has broken away. A few key words to think about is uniformed pressure, containment and alignment. Metal under pressure flows. A consistent uniformed containment is needed to upright and backfill the design rim as well as the outer devices under pressure. When misalignments occur the balance of containment is altered. Metal under pressure flows as best it can when containment is altered. Case in point, remove the collar out of the equation all together. Where does the material flow? You'll find it flows outward and very little gets backfilled. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
02/20/2019 1:54 pm
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I don't shoot coin images from top dead center as they tend to look fairly poor with that angle and my lighting. So yes, just slightly askew with the photo angle, but not much. This morning JC listed it as: CU-1C-1916S-01 RIM Cud (as predicted by Halo1st). The coin diameter at the Cud is 19.2mm. The coin diameter 90 degrees from this is 19.2mm. The edge thickness as measured at two places not associated with the Cud is 1.6mm The edge thickness right on top of the Cud is 1.8mm. |
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I'd say that thickness exceeds modern day 1.52mm specs. New listing confirmed. Now I should have something to compare to when and if I find one. Thanks, Doug. Adding: the 19.2mm diameter may allude to some collar wear aiding in the rim Cud and misalignment. Normal diameter 19.05mm. Edited by Halo1st
02/20/2019 2:34 pm
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I cannot yet send email through this forum, but if the OP can reach out to me, I may know where there is another similar coin of interest.
Sean Reynolds
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Hi Sean, and welcome to the CCF. First, I honestly don't know of any real way to get in touch with someone new here (although you've been doing this stuff forever) as it's all about number of posts. Second, if you were referencing that 1919-S that recently sold on ebay well I got that one. Not as spiffy as the coin posted here, but it's still a nice one. Last thing. I saw the two dates you are missing for the clips. Mine are all just in a bag but most are wheats so I will take a quick look and see if I've got what you're after as shouldn't take too long. Thought about grabbing that 1923-S with a clip that sold today at auction but really don't collect clips so hopefully someone that is looking for such a thing got a good price on it. I checked and don't have what you need. Closest I've got is an 1982 large date copper clip, but that's not helpful. Edited by tropicalbats
02/23/2019 12:28 am
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you did it again , nice, glad you share with us ,we get to see some nice stuff. good luck and happy hunting  |
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Not referring to the 1919, but rather a 1915-D , I spotted it a couple of weeks ago. The ebay item number is 362542842672. I would have grabbed it myself and flipped it but it's priced where there's not any meat left on the bone. Where did you see a 1923-S cent clip up for auction? I'm always liking for upgrades or better dates . I also appreciate you checking for my missing dates, I'd dearly love to fill those last two holes in the album. Sean Edited by seanqueue
02/23/2019 10:36 am
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The 1923-S was just in a little lot of cents. Item # 163549748029 and went for ten bucks plus shipping probably because there was a 1909 VDB in there. Minor clip on a coin with nice details. There was also a 1931-S with a big faked clip that sold on the 17th for $76. Feel bad for whomever bought that one. I hadn't seen that 1915-D. Sure is a dandy, but you are right about the price. Always tough to decide on ones like that where the coin itself is worth quite a lot and the question is whether the error actually increases the coin value much at all at that point. I know a guy who may want it, though, and will pass that along. Too expensive for me to just pick it up for my collection, although that possible bar under the L makes it tempting. Dr. Wiles has told me he isn't attributing any more 1915-D bar under L varieties for the time being as he is concerned about just exactly what is going on there as there seem to be a lot of them. So couldn't get it attributed even if it is a new one and so it is still a pass for me. |
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That '23-S slipped under my radar, I absolutely would have thrown a bid at it had I seen it. Thanks for the link, I'll have to look at what else that seller has available. I saw the '31-S and agree that it was garbage. It's coins like that one that will turn people off of error collecting forever. Now that we each know we're looking, feel free to point any more clips like that '23-S and I'll keep looking for Cuds for you as wel. Sean Edited by seanqueue
02/23/2019 6:10 pm
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Looks like your friend won that '15-S, it sold via the Best Offer option on Saturday night. I'm glad it went somewhere it will be appreciated.
Sean
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Yes, he made a pretty reasonable offer and the seller accepted it. I too am glad he got it as that's a darn nice coin to let slip away from the Cud collectors. |
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