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The coin looks real for the date and CC. The coin has been in circulation and has what appears to be normal wear. The reverse fields look off with cast like bubbles and I have no explanation why other than a counterfeit. Any attempt to call the coin genuine or counterfeit would be simply a guess without seeing the coin in hand.
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On the obverse, I'm concerned about all the horizontal and vertical lines in the lower part. While I see hints of some on certified examples, nothing to the extent seen here. On the reverse, other than appearing incredibly bubbly, IGWT - the bottom of G seems joined to the top, the top of O is missing, and the left top of T is missing. In the context that this might be fake, the counterstamp seems cheesy, like it was added to lend an air of authenticity. But I really don't know for sure. I don't see anything where the denticles don't line up right, etc, but I kind of expect that these days.  |
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I've looked at a lot of corroded Seated coins, and this looks to me like fake corrosion. The toning is also suspicious. Even if it were real, the asking price is double what it should be. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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$1200 for a raw coin on ebay? Enough said. |
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The counterstamp, even if legit, is considered damage. I still think it's a fake priced higher than what the value of a real one goes for  . The seller states Quote:
with an interesting story to tell. Really? So what exactly is this "story"?  |
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I like neither the coin nor the counterstamp, and am highly suspicious of both, but that's just my opinion.
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I say real, but coin was buried and cleaned.....surface definitely messed with...something like that.
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I'm thinking the coin COULD be genuine, POSSIBLY resurrected from a fire and/or otherwise bearing ED. Note that the edges are quite banged up ... PERHAPS, from being artificially aged in a tumbler? I'd have to see this piece in person to cast an educated opinion. If counterfeit, it may be a contemporary piece. The stamp font/style looks to be 1800's. From my perspective, this counterstamp detracts from the value. It's not a desirable merchant or political stamping. It's a one-of-a-kind, personal piece, akin to a love token. Oftentimes, counterstamps can add to a coin's value. In this case, likely not; this, IF the coin is genuine, that is! As a side note, in my collection of 2,500+ counterstamps, there are but two contemporary counterfeit hosts, being a Bust Half and a Seated quarter. Considered as a genre, counterstamped contemporary counterfeits are a rare breed. So, if the 1870-CC is a contemporary counterfeit, the counterstamp would add some modest value for particular collectors of this stuff. |
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I said that it is real and I believe it is an OC-8 variety.
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Anybody know for sure?
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03/12/2019 8:43 pm
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Genuine or not, cannot understand why anyone would want to own this POS at this sort of price.  Edited by Coinfrog
03/12/2019 9:02 pm
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Lol at Frog! I agree on that point. I reported this one to ebay and they chose to let it ride. There are some questionable areas. Liberty's face and nose in particular. The ring or depression around the inside of the denticles that appears on both sides of the coin and how close the right C on the mintmark is to the branch all raised my suspicions. It doesn't help that the ebay listing does not have zoom in capabilities.   Edited by MikeF
03/12/2019 10:03 pm
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